Obamacare: still the law of the land

[ThatOwlWoman]

complete load of horseshit......thanks for playing moron

Playing moron? Wait. You didn't tell me that we were playing a game. lol

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I've got Medicare and supplemental too, Owl.
My union-negotiated retirement package even got the supplemental subsidized by our former employer's remnant holders.
It works fine for me, but it's not all about me.

I'm not a pragmatic socialist.
I'm an ideological socialist.

I have always supported a National Health Care System, not because I need it, but because the society needs it.
You work or worked in the health care industry, so it's only natural that you would have to have an influenced opinion.
Perhaps you might not want to be a government employee. Fair enough.
I've no problem with that at all.

I just know that in which I believe.

Exactly how I feel about it as well.

None of my health care providers are government employees, just because Medicare covers their billing. They're not Aetna employees, or BC/BS workers. Or am I misunderstanding your comment about "government employees."

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Playing moron? Wait. You didn't tell me that we were playing a game. lol

you've been told for the last 30 years..................you just refused to acknowledge it. you're what is called a 'pawn'.

 

[Jarod]

I was a little off according to this, but it amounts to the same thing I said. The number of uninsured in the US has remained pretty constant since 2010 when Obamacare was enacted.

https://www.aspe.hhs.gov/sites/defa..._files//198861/trends-in-the-us-uninsured.pdf

Obamacare did little to change things. Most of the new enrollments were people on Medicaid not people buying policies. That is more people ended up on government provided plans (Medicaid) at taxpayer expense than anything.

You are a silly Trumpper who makes up shit to fit what you wish were true. Sadly, the internet provides obscure poorly sourced web pages to help you in that persuit

 

[Lionfish]

You are a silly Trumpper who makes up shit to fit what you wish were true. Sadly, the internet provides obscure poorly sourced web pages to help you in that persuit

Lies

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Exactly how I feel about it as well.

None of my health care providers are government employees, just because Medicare covers their billing. They're not Aetna employees, or BC/BS workers. Or am I misunderstanding your comment about "government employees."

I'll explain myself. Medicare and Medicaid are private services paid for with public funding.

A national health service is actual public services.
The health care providers, in a sense, are working for the government because the government provides the services
rather than just paying for it, similar to the VA hospitals. Also similar to the police and fire departments, for that matter.

Health care professionals oppose an NHS because of that; they wish to be independent agents, not salaried government employees as
they are in the UK. The UK has private health care as well, but if you use it, you still have to pay the taxes for the NHS.

Thus, I understand why some liberals would rather have the public funding / private service model. I'm not arguing that that's bad.

Ideologically, however, I would rather have the NHS. That my personal position. I'm NOT a libertarian as you know, and I'm not afraid of a more
comprehensive public sector and a more regulated private sector.

Humans are not generically solitary animals like some others. Humans genetically evolved to live in packs--societies--and are thus burdened with being socially responsible, not independent free agents.

We seek personal autonomy where it's appropriate, but are supposed to understand our social responsibilities.

That's why I call myself a socialist. It doesn't mean that socialism and capitalism are a binary choice. They're not.
They run concurrently in every economy, but the lines must be drawn in a socially responsible manner
to be morally legitimate.

 

[Truth Detector]

New Reports Show Record 35 Million People Enrolled in Coverage Related to the Affordable Care Act, with Historic 21 Million People Enrolled in Medicaid Expansion Coverage
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022...erage-related-to-the-affordable-care-act.html

Indeed. And, it has been proven to be the lie filled massive failure Republicans said it would be. Here we are, more than a decade later with Democrats insisting Republicans, who had nothing to do with the bill, fix it while complaining about the high costs of care and prescriptions.

What did that moron Nancy say about her bill? We have to pass it to know what is in it. Yes, she actually made that absurd and moronic comment. Now we are seeing what is in it. Nothing but more wasteful spending without solutions.

 

[Truth Detector]

When Obamacare passed there were about 24 million Americans without health insurance coverage. Today there are about 26 million. Given population growth, the number of uninsured in America has remained about constant. All Obamacare did for the most part was shift people from private insurance plans onto Obamacare plans that often suck worse than their previous coverage.

Yep. But that's just another inconvenient fact leftist liars in the DNC like to avoid.

 

[Truth Detector]

Citation ?

 

[Truth Detector]

Remember when Trump was going to end it on day 1.

Yep, too bad voters voted in the Democrat majority in the legislature who refused to work with Trump to do anything that would actually benefit Americans.

 

[Truth Detector]

Trump is going to release his “much better” plan in three weeks…. He said so 2 years ago!

What we do know is that after four years, we still had low gas prices, inflation was a fraction of what it is now, and we didn't have a humanitarian crisis on our Southern border.

Yes, I remember those days. I am sure a vast majority of Americans wishes we were still living those days.

 

[Truth Detector]

I have never met a single person in real life who told me they "lost" health insurance because Obamacare.

Why do dishonest leftist hacks believe that their anecdotal bullshit trumps real data?

 

[Truth Detector]

And force Mexico to pay for a massive border wall

Democrats didn't want a wall, instead, they prefer the massive humanitarian disaster we are currently experiencing. I am pretty sure a majority of American's would rather have Trump's wall than Bicen's lies and denials.

 

[Truth Detector]

then you're an obtuse leftist fuckstick who prefers a narrative to your liking instead of reality.

Yes, he is.

 

[Truth Detector]

Obamacare is better than nothing at all, and that's the best we can speak of it.

Anything short of a UK style National Health Service is shamelessly half-assing it.

Nobody can beat Americans at half-assing things, and most of us, sad to say, aren't even embarrassed over it.
We need to be.

^ Another low IQ dipshit that thinks Government can manage things better.

 

[Truth Detector]

(R)s do not like lower income people to have the same things *they* have, even health care.

That is a massive pile of leftist lie filled bile. You seem to be quite full of it.....LITERALLY.

 

[Truth Detector]

complete load of horseshit......thanks for playing moron

That dipshit isn't "playing" moron, she defines it.

 

[Truth Detector]

You are a silly Trumpper who makes up shit to fit what you wish were true.

Projection alert! You misspelled "I'm" and "leftist" dipshit.

Sadly, the internet provides obscure poorly sourced web pages to help you in that persuit

Sadly, you continue to ignore sources and think that just saying stupid shit makes it so.

I wish this sad sack could spell. Really I do.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Not that I can read Bullshit Blob's ignored posts, but I find it amusing that the devolved mutant troglodyte thinks it's wise to quote and answer my posts.

Nobody needs a direct comparison, Bullshit Blob, to recognize what a dumb fucking shit you are.
You're making a wasted effort.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I'll explain myself. Medicare and Medicaid are private services paid for with public funding.

A national health service is actual public services.
The health care providers, in a sense, are working for the government because the government provides the services
rather than just paying for it, similar to the VA hospitals. Also similar to the police and fire departments, for that matter.

Health care professionals oppose an NHS because of that; they wish to be independent agents, not salaried government employees as
they are in the UK. The UK has private health care as well, but if you use it, you still have to pay the taxes for the NHS.

Thus, I understand why some liberals would rather have the public funding / private service model. I'm not arguing that that's bad.

Ideologically, however, I would rather have the NHS. That my personal position. I'm NOT a libertarian as you know, and I'm not afraid of a more
comprehensive public sector and a more regulated private sector.

Humans are not generically solitary animals like some others. Humans genetically evolved to live in packs--societies--and are thus burdened with being socially responsible, not independent free agents.

We seek personal autonomy where it's appropriate, but are supposed to understand our social responsibilities.

That's why I call myself a socialist. It doesn't mean that socialism and capitalism are a binary choice. They're not.
They run concurrently in every economy, but the lines must be drawn in a socially responsible manner
to be morally legitimate.

Good post and explanation; thanks.

IMO expanding our currently only for-the-over-65-cohort Medicare to all citizens would be ideal. If health care providers were government employees, they would be protected from consequences for their mistakes/neglect/incompetence by sovereign immunity. The physician who killed my late husband through his neglect/incompetence/drug abuse tried to use that defense when I sued him. The hospital that hired him was a community hospital and thus protected by sovereign immunity, so they were exempt from justice. I don't want to see any more of that in this country.