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And actually I don't look like a horse. What about you?
I've watched a great many of them. Please tell me your long list of his speeches since becoming President that do not include that line. I've heard it in his "green" speeches, his "healthcare" speeches, his speeches on the war, his speeches on why his promised jobs "savings" never came and we passed his promised "highest" unemployment long before we "peaked" on that particular mess. I've heard it everywhere he speaks.
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Dung is an Obama apologist. he cannot help but defend the One. that is what the kool-aid commands him to do.
Does anybody alive not know it already? There comes a time when it becomes whining and an attempt to excuse his own failure.
Why must it be included in every speech however far from the topic of the economy it might be? He attempts to use it for everything, and it is now more of a "cry wolf" than a legitimate point of these speeches.
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No.
Nor was it wrong for him to bring it up in the first few months of his Presidency. But as you are aware, the actions of the current administration are beginning to show signs of effect on the economy and markets. Continually falling back on the 'bush sucked' catch phrase makes Obama appear weak, as if he doesn't want responsibility for what he has done/not done to this point.
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1) Because, He is now the President and he needs to start taking responsibility for his actions. If the economy continues to suck, it no longer matters that he inherited a mess. What then matters is that he did not bring us out of the mess. The statement that he inherited a mess will never be wrong, it simply is ignorant to continue to point to a fact that is well known this far into his Presidency.
2) I did not mention the number of times he brings it up, so how is it that I exaggerated the number? I said he continually brings it up.... which he and his admin do. That is accurate.
Here is a text of a recent economic speech. I think you guys are confused; yes, he brings up the situation that he started with, but that is necessary to measure progress, like "here's where we were a year ago, and here is where we are now." Also, he takes a lot of responsibility for his own policies.
As usual, you are both exaggerating:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/12/obama_speech_on_job_creation_t.html
As usual, you are both exaggerating:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/12/obama_speech_on_job_creation_t.html
Nope, in this speech he spreads the blame rather than accepting the responsibility.
The above is just a nastier way of saying, "We inherited the problem," while at the same time attempting to pre-excuse their own failure.
This is BS and ignores 2 years of control from his own party and his own votes (or non-votes) which continued the policies.
I don't blame him for the downturn, I do blame him for mucking it up, not actually stimulating the economy with his "spendulus" bill.
"The above is just a nastier way of saying, "We inherited the problem," while at the same time attempting to pre-excuse their own failure.
This is BS and ignores 2 years of control from his own party and his own votes (or non-votes) which continued the policies."
It's more taking a shot at the GOP, who - as a party - decided to listen to Rush & draw a line in the sand on economic policy, and make it as political as possible. It's a fair statement, and hardly the kind of "whining" that you accuse him of. In a long speech, that's the only line I saw that you can even make hay about...
This is BS and ignores 2 years of control from his own party and his own votes (or non-votes) which continued the policies."
It's more taking a shot at the GOP, who - as a party - decided to listen to Rush & draw a line in the sand on economic policy, and make it as political as possible. It's a fair statement, and hardly the kind of "whining" that you accuse him of. In a long speech, that's the only line I saw that you can even make hay about...
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As usual, you are an idiot. Again... I never stated any specific number and the fact that he does continue to bring it up highlights the point I made that he continually brings it up. Pulling one speech and pretending that is somehow evidence against what we stated is simply moronic.
ESPECIALLY when he brings up the very topic in that speech.
quit being an Obama apologist.
I can spend the next few hours pulling up speeches that Obama has given in the last few months, but I expect they'll show what I already know: you guys are serial exaggerators when it comes to Obama.
And the onus is on you, since you have stated "continually"...
I made the point that he doesn't make speeches without mentioning it (whining about it), and you posted a speech that made my point.
Saying that it's all good with you doesn't/didn't refute my point at all.
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As I stated... it is Obama and his admin that do continually bring it up. Do you deny that they have when even YOUR post links to a speech in which Obama brings it up? I am not suggesting that he does it in EVERY speech... but only a blind lemming would pretend he hasn't continually brought it up over the past 11 months.
Quit being an Obama apologist.
It has more to do with the characterization that you & Hackocles are presenting. The speech I posted was a long one, and - to me - the quote that Hacko found was much more about the GOP being an obstructionist party when it comes to working with the admin on economic policy.
Imagine that; a sitting President calling the opposition party obstructionist.
Some CHANGE!
zappasguitar
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So now not only does President Obama have a list of topics he can't discuss without upsetting you, but now he has to worry about how he says it in order not to upset you?
One would think living on the wind swept eastern plains of Colorado would have toughened that thin skin of yours.
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cawacko
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I don't think it's an issue of "upsetting" anyone. It's a matter of the voting public saying yes we are aware of there was a problem when we elected you but we elected you to attempt to (or to) fix it not keep talking about it.
This is America where attention spans aren't long and we tend to want results immediately so it can't be all that surprising that people want things to turn around quickly. As far as Obama's concerned he's not going to be judged by voters for another three years so he has time however what happens with Congress will affect him and he has less time there.
I don't think the debate about whether Obama says 'I inherited..." has to much to do with thin skin.
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