Okay... Why would we...

[Cypress]

By the way, it should be noted that the more current story, well the one from an actual newspaper, shows a significant "improvement" in Colorado, from 5th worst to 13th... (Intersting how your blogspot shows a marked difference, maybe they aren't being accurate?) And all that improvement happened without any commercials, just reporting on the 2004 data. Who do you trust? Your blogspot or the newspaper?

I will also note that the study that was in the first one shows CO to be 37th, not 45th as in the second post of a different 'interpretation' by a blog of the same study.

Where does California rank now? Or can you go back even further and find one that pretends to show current reality, and how the commercials are helping when they haven't been on the air until just recently even though there has been an increase in usage?

Anyway, from your first, and more accurate story:



Anyway, which story is accurate? The one from the news source you posted earlier, or the one from the blog? Both show usage from 2004, one says CO is at 36%, the other 56%.

Did you have to search hard to find one that was "worse" than your first story?

Worst. Spin. Ever.

I don't care where california ranks. I don't care if Colorado is 37th or 45th in terms of food stamp participation. That's not fundamentally important; nor does it have anything to do with the reason you posted this thread.

You asked why they were doing outreach for food stamp programs in colorado.

Darla and I gave you credible answers, that appear to be backed up by the colorado media and experts who did the studies. No need to repeat them, over and over again. You saw them

 

[Damocles]

Worst. Spin. Ever.

I don't care where california ranks. I don't care if Colorado is 37th or 45th in terms of food stamp participation. That's not fundamentally important; nor does it have anything to do with the reason you posted this thread.

You asked why they were doing outreach for food stamp programs in colorado.

Darla and I gave you credible answers, that appear to be backed up by the colorado media and experts who did the studies. No need to repeat them, over and over again. You saw them

I ain't spinning, friend.

You guys actually answered the question, and I'm cool with that. I was just pointing out the same study reported on two different sites with two different results does not give me any true reliance on the sources you select for your points. Especially not the second one that you clearly searched out without regard to sourcing.

You have a different view than I do on this, that is clear. I believe it is more like the homeless numbers where they just send out a couple guys to "interview" the homeless and come up with a SWAG on how many there are in the city (they actually did this in Denver using their guess to say how great their "Glorious People Build Homes For Homeless" program was doing, they came to the Step 13 program, some of the guys said it was the second and third times they had spoken to them) and that they get an allocation based on numbers who use and those who are "in need", thus generating exaggeration of numbers.

I was surprised at how few there were actually on Food Stamps though. And I do note that at least it is radio rather than TV they are wasting that money on trying to make people feel good about taking welfare. I guess my youth jaundiced me on that issue. I believed the numbers would be much higher considering how many people I knew as a child that were on them.

I think, like many government programs, that they must spend the money or they don't get as much the next year.

 

[Based Chad]

I think, like many government programs, that they must spend the money or they don't get as much the next year.

Yes. And even these libs know that's the truth.

 

[Care4all]

Also, how many people are so retarded that they do not know that there is welfare available? And if they are that retarded could they work the knobs on the radio?

I think this comment is very unfair of you Damo....though I recognize it could have been for it's shock factor perhaps!

I have not had the opportunity to read through this entire thread, so perhaps someone has mentioned this regarding why people that are eligible, may not know it....

I think that there are many, many WORKING people, that have hit hard times and are barely making it due to food cost hikes, and gas hikes, and the hike in their healthcare costs or the rise in their adjustable mortgage and any number of other reasons for them to be barely making it now, that would qualify them for food stamps.... these are people that normally would NEVER even think that they would be PART of the Welfare Crowd, that are TOO PROUD to even think that they would qualify let alone to use the system in that manner.

Here, in Maine....at least in the downeast and northern area, they are running the same type adds for food, for support of the schip healthcare program for kids and the upcoming heating necessity....the ads are focused on people that would not normally come for help or that had never had to come to the government for any kind of assistance, though tax payers all their lives....

My Brother in Law was and still is, quite poor.... he has 2 children and a wife who stayed home to school the children and he was a Pastor of a very small church in the middle of nowhere land with about 100 parishioners off and on....they payed him $27 k a year and supplied an old run down house for them to live in where they paid minimal rent and all the heating and energy expenses.....which got to be extremely high and near impossible for them to even survive during the winter months.... due to the cost of living in the state they lived in qualified them for food stamps and other welfare assistance but they refused to get this help, just outright refused....well, they prayed, their church found out about their needs, and the church parishioners ended up providing them with the food need shortage that they were experiencing.....

The point is, that many in the lower middle class, people who have provided for themselves, all their lives, are struggling now, and are either not aware that their government can help them through this struggling period of theirs or they are too PROUD to consider getting the help and the ads are made to make this easier on them in my opinion.

Care

 

[Damocles]

I think this comment is very unfair of you Damo....though I recognize it could have been for it's shock factor perhaps!

I have not had the opportunity to read through this entire thread, so perhaps someone has mentioned this regarding why people that are eligible, may not know it....

I think that there are many, many WORKING people, that have hit hard times and are barely making it due to food cost hikes, and gas hikes, and the hike in their healthcare costs or the rise in their adjustable mortgage and any number of other reasons for them to be barely making it now, that would qualify them for food stamps.... these are people that normally would NEVER even think that they would be PART of the Welfare Crowd, that are TOO PROUD to even think that they would qualify let alone to use the system in that manner.

Here, in Maine....at least in the downeast and northern area, they are running the same type adds for food, for support of the schip healthcare program for kids and the upcoming heating necessity....the ads are focused on people that would not normally come for help or that had never had to come to the government for any kind of assistance, though tax payers all their lives....

My Brother in Law was and still is, quite poor.... he has 2 children and a wife who stayed home to school the children and he was a Pastor of a very small church in the middle of nowhere land with about 100 parishioners off and on....they payed him $27 k a year and supplied an old run down house for them to live in where they paid minimal rent and all the heating and energy expenses.....which got to be extremely high and near impossible for them to even survive during the winter months.... due to the cost of living in the state they lived in qualified them for food stamps and other welfare assistance but they refused to get this help, just outright refused....well, they prayed, their church found out about their needs, and the church parishioners ended up providing them with the food need shortage that they were experiencing.....

The point is, that many in the lower middle class, people who have provided for themselves, all their lives, are struggling now, and are either not aware that their government can help them through this struggling period of theirs or they are too PROUD to consider getting the help and the ads are made to make this easier on them in my opinion.

Care

All of these points were made earlier, I still reject it because of the content of the ad.

I believe that they are working to spend the required amount so that they will get the same amount, or more, next year.

I have no objection to true need, I do when the ad itself says that they don't absolutely need it but it is nice when things are 'tighter'.

 

[Care4all]

Yes. And even these libs know that's the truth.

yes, but LIBS also know that the State HAS TO use its own money to get the federal MATCH in funds.... so it is not like it is a simple money grab from the federal government...

care

 

[Damocles]

yes, but LIBS also know that the State HAS TO use its own money to get the federal MATCH in funds.... so it is not like it is a simple money grab from the federal government...

care

Ah, but in order to get the 'matching' funds and because of budgeting requirements there is a necessity to spend a specific amount or they won't be allocated the same the next year. Many corps do this as well, end of year budgets become quite the joke.

It isn't just a phenomena of government.

 

[evince]

there is a stigma with welfare and many dont want to collect it contrary to what many on here will tell you.

There were times my family literally had nothing to eat and I had to take them food.

They refused to go on welfare yet my little bro and sis had nothing to eat.

 

[Damocles]

there is a stigma with welfare and many dont want to collect it contrary to what many on here will tell you.

There were times my family literally had nothing to eat and I had to take them food.

They refused to go on welfare yet my little bro and sis had nothing to eat.

I understand the stigma and I find nothing wrong with its existence. It doesn't change what I have to say here, nor my feeling on why the ads are being run.

Do you believe that these ads would make your brother and sis rush on down and get some stamps?

 

[Based Chad]

yes, but LIBS also know that the State HAS TO use its own money to get the federal MATCH in funds.... so it is not like it is a simple money grab from the federal government...

care

Right. It's just generally bad budget policy which has the bizarro effect of them running ads to promote governmental dependance.

 

[TRGLDTE]

Why would anybody need to be reminded that these programs exist?

Because if there is a reduced case load, then there is justification for cutting back the bureaucracy. You know the rules, we can't have that. It's all about the politicians keeping the patronage base.