On McCain

[LadyT]

Once you acquiesced to their demand to tell the story their way the torture did cease. You were in bad conditions, but no longer tortured. They even would then allow you to talk to a reporter who would record their version of events from your mouth regardless of reality. If he had gone to the actual events he not only would not have had any access again to a reporter but it is likely he would have died under continued torture for the remainder of his imprisonment.

The Viet Cong did not fool around with this stuff.

All the more reason to leave!

 

[Battleborne]

Point taken...........

This is pretty damn low... If he was such a coward he would have left when given the opportunity.

The only real cowards in this thread are those who support 'Code Pink' Darla makes me about as ill as anyone can get..that is after Jane(Hanoi) Fonda...her idiol!

 

[LadyT]

Well I heard they have this code of honor; first man in first man out. So while I highly doubt I would be able to follow that ( I would do the same you would do I'm sure) I do admire someone who did.

Puh-lease. "Code of Honor". I'm sure this "code of honor" has something in there about lying too.

 

[WRL]

The only real cowards in this thread are those who support 'Code Pink' Darla makes me about as ill as anyone can get..that is after Jane(Hanoi) Fonda...her idiol!

Ya I agree code pink is a bunch of cowards, protesting with coffins outside Walter Reed Army Hospital, disgusting...

 

[LadyT]

True. It would be very hard to do it.

Hard because its stupid and goes against common sense and self preservation.

 

[Battleborne]

But he says he only gave them the names of football players and such. I mean, I don't consider that "talking". And if he "confessed" to being a war criminal (which by the way I believe bombers are, but not as big of ones as those who give the orders), under torture, then I think we can all give him a break on it!

I mean, even when BB and his friends beat "confessions" out of minorities, I don't consider it a real confession (and neither does the law).

You sure do love to slander don't you 'Ms.Code Pink'...did the Commie party give you a bonus for this slander?

 

[Cancel7]

and these same bimbos would do a vacation in the 'New Saigon' if given the chance...no way in hell will I ever visit VN as long as those in control are those who tortured our soldiers.. their cheap shrimp!

Funny you should mention that, if a particular funding comes through in January, I might very well be going to Vietnam next year as part of a global peace initiative. I haven't decided if I'd pick there or Venezuela.

But if I choose Vietnam I will give the VC your salutations.

 

[Timshel]

Once you acquiesced to their demand to tell the story their way the torture did cease. You were in bad conditions, but no longer tortured. They even would then allow you to talk to a reporter who would record their version of events from your mouth regardless of reality. If he had gone to the actual events he not only would not have had any access again to a reporter but it is likely he would have died under continued torture for the remainder of his imprisonment.

The Viet Cong did not fool around with this stuff.

The interview with the french journalist was 5 day after his capture.

Here is what I find on his release offer and that does not back your conjecture here.

http://www.vietnamwar.com/johnmccainbio.htm

John McCain's 5 1/2 years of captivity in North Vietnam were divided into two phases. Early on, this son and grandson of high-ranking Naval officers was accorded relatively privileged status. Then he refused early release--which he saw as a public relations stunt by his captors--insisting that POWs held longer than him should be granted their freedom first. Thereafter, McCain was treated much more severely, but he also had an opportunity to bond with his fellow prisoners. Those experiences strengthened his resolve and eased his transition back into civilian life.

 

[Damocles]

The interview with the french journalist was 5 day after his capture.

Here is what I find on his release offer and that does not back your conjecture here.

http://www.vietnamwar.com/johnmccainbio.htm

John McCain's 5 1/2 years of captivity in North Vietnam were divided into two phases. Early on, this son and grandson of high-ranking Naval officers was accorded relatively privileged status. Then he refused early release--which he saw as a public relations stunt by his captors--insisting that POWs held longer than him should be granted their freedom first. Thereafter, McCain was treated much more severely, but he also had an opportunity to bond with his fellow prisoners. Those experiences strengthened his resolve and eased his transition back into civilian life.

No, it backs it up.

Remember I said if you play their PR game your torture was less? Well, check back, it's still there.

He refused their PR move to release him, his treatment became worse in the hopes he would acquiesce. Had he actually told the French Reporter what had happened to him there would very likely had been no forgiveness. As I said, these people did not play. When he refused to do as they wished they began to treat him worse. Had he done it publicly and "shamed" them it would have been far worse.

 

[Battleborne]

I never protest on Saturday evenings.

old and senile and short still has your attention...damn...I am losing it...

 

[Cancel7]

Damo, are you going to do something about BB describing his penis to me?

I mean, really.

 

[Battleborne]

Please do.............

Funny you should mention that, if a particular funding comes through in January, I might very well be going to Vietnam next year as part of a global peace initiative. I haven't decided if I'd pick there or Venezuela.

But if I choose Vietnam I will give the VC your salutations.

that should just about cover it...no cheap shrimp on the barbee for me...thank you very much!

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

http://www.etherzone.com/1999/raim092999.html

COLLABORATION

McCain was shot down on October 26, 1967, over Truc Bach Lake, near Hanoi. As I pointed out in my last column about McCain, he claimed in a US News and World Report article [May 14, 1973] that he languished in a cell for several days, his injuries untreated. Confronted with a North Vietnamese officers who was "a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends we had to deal with," as McCain put it, he decided to cooperate. According to his own account, McCain said: "OK, I will give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." While there are some conflicting stories about how long he was actually in that cell, he gave his first interview on October 31, with French television reporter Francois Chalais for Beirut's L'Orient, who wrote:

INTERVIEW WITH A PRISONER OF WAR

"This John Sidney McCain is not an ordinary prisoner. His father is none other than Admiral Edmond John McCain, Commander-in-chief of US naval forces in Europe. In a weak voice, he relates his story to me: 'I was carrying out a bombing mission, my twenty-third raid over Hanoi. It was then that I was hit. I wanted to eject but while doing so I broke both arms and my right thigh. Unconscious, I fell in a lake. Some Vietnamese jumped in the water and pulled me out. Later I learned there must have been about 12 of them. They immediately took me to a hospital, in condition two inches away from death. A doctor operated on my thigh. Others at the same time dealt with my arms."

A "WAR HERO" FOR OUR TIMES

Well, which is it, Senator McCain – did you trade military information for medical treatment, or did they take you to a hospital immediately and operate? Either way, you don't look so good – at least, not like any war hero I ever heard of.

DID THEY SERVE COFFEE AT THE HANOI HILTON?

In the course of being interviewed by Monsieur Chalais, McCain is described as smoking a cigarette and sipping a cup of coffee – amenities most American prisoners of war did not enjoy. While he was obviously acting under great duress, in this interview McCain seems just a little too eager to please his captors and the Commie Frog sent to interrogate him. Chalais asks: "How are you treated here?" McCain answers: "Very well. Everybody is very nice to me." "How is the food?" McCain grins "feebly. Obviously, the least reaction hurts him. 'This isn't Paris. But it is alright.'"

REASONABLE DOUBT

The Hanoi correspondent of Cuba's official Prensa Latina news agency cited an article in the Vietnamese Communist Party newspaper, Nhan Dan [November 9, 1967], which cites McCain as saying: "There is not any doubt for me, things are taking place in a favorable way for North Vietnam. In particular world opinion. At present the United States is standing [virtually] alone." No one can blame McCain for succumbing to torture: but there is some reasonable question as to whether McCain wasn't given preferential treatment from the very beginning, from the moment the Vietnamese fished him out of the lake and discovered his identity. At the very least, the popular image of McCain as the icon of the veterans and the virtual embodiment of the military virtues is challenged by the record.

Unfounded rumors are nothing to slander a decorated war hero with, RS. SHameful.

 

[Beefy]

Unfounded rumors are nothing to slander a decorated war hero with, RS. SHameful.

ZOMG?!

 

[Timshel]

So he went along when they were treating him well gave up military information and then decided to change course on the realease because it violated the code?

The Vietnamese Commander told the Ambassador that he refused for fear that LBJ would use it against his father. The Ambassador decided it was about the code of conduct.

 

[Battleborne]

Hummm...............

Damo, are you going to do something about BB describing his penis to me?

I mean, really.

maybe you and he could do a little cup Salvation Army thingee...Viagra is expensive...Then again you must be speaking about damo...sorry my bad!

 

[Cancel7]

So he went along when they were treating him well gave up military information and then decided to change course on the realease because it violated the code?

The Vietnamese Commander told the Ambassador that he refused for fear that LBJ would use it against his father. The Ambassador decided it was about the code of conduct.

I cannot even believe you are making this argument. I have gone through this already with an old leftist by the name of Hobbes. I am really surprised to see you pushing this RS.

Think about what you are saying. If you were in a freaking POW camp do you believe your father would give one rat's ass if your release was going to be "used against him"?

Use your head. My father would have traded places with me, never mind given a shit what LBJ had to say about it.

The entire argument is absurd on its face.

 

[Timshel]

Unfounded rumors are nothing to slander a decorated war hero with, RS. SHameful.

What do you believe is unfounded? War hero, based on what?

The guy is a scum bucket. I honestly don't believe a man that lived as a POW could so willingly create new ones.

 

[WRL]

This is absurd and disgraceful. The man was a POW, I'm sure he never gave up military secrets, and refused to take a trip home as a high value captive, to stand with his fellow soldiers, how one can mock that is beyond me.

 

[Battleborne]

Old saying applies to you...........

What do you believe is unfounded? War hero, based on what?

The guy is a scum bucket. I honestly don't believe a man that lived as a POW could so willingly create new ones.

'Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones' need I really say more...and what have you suffered or experienced first hand..this should prove interesting...no?