The interesting thing is that the Ukrainians don't seem to have told Trump anything about the operation, probably because Trump can't be trusted.
Operation Spiderweb is fascinating
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Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Denigrating Russia right now would be something you'd do, because you're a retard.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
You suck. You have never made anything major happen your whole life. You're pickle-braining it up and being a dumbass.
Obviously you are not happy with the news, but what do you get out of attacking the messenger?
Can you really blame them?
Try to keep up. Ukraine is fighting a war to defend themselves from Putin's invasion.
It has not. The USA has sent Ukraine hundreds of billions of dollars in weapons, but almost nothing in money. Those weapons are for them to defend themselves.
It is almost as if I do not support Putin invading other countries and committing terrorist attacks on western countries... Actually, it is exactly like I am against both.Denigrating Russia right now would be something you'd do, because you're a retard.
When did it become important to you that we do not denigrate Russia?
Scott
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Like they 'defended themselves' in Operation Spiderweb, right? All of NATO combined doesn't have enough ammunition to keep up with Russia's output. What Ukraine wants is to conduct more attacks inside of Russia, in the hopes that it'll piss off Russia enough to do something drastic, in the hopes to drag the west into World War III.
They are allowed to strike back against airbases that attack them. Remember these air bases are targeting civilians, while the Ukrainians targeted military targets.
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
The little Jewish Prez of the Ukraine is giving Putin heartburn
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
It's Biden's fault
Scott
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This isn't about defending Ukraine. I believe many if not most of the bombers weren't being used to bomb Ukraine- they are bombers to be used in the case of a nuclear war. Former U.N. Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter wrote an article on Operation Spiderweb. Here's his conclusion:
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Russia has in the past responded to provocations by Ukraine and its western allies with a mixture of patience and resolve.
Many have interpreted this stance as a sign of weakness, something which may have factored in the decision by Ukraine and its western facilitators to carry out such a provocative operation on the eve of critical peace discussions.
The extent to which Russia can continue to show the same level of restraint as in the past is tested by the very nature of the attack—a massive use of conventional weapons which struck Russia’s strategic nuclear deterrence force, causing damage.
It is not a stretch of the imagination to see this tactic being used in the future as a means of decapitating Russian strategic nuclear assets (aircraft and missiles) and leadership (the attack against Putin in Kursk underscores this threat.)
If Ukraine can position Kamaz trucks near Russian strategic air bases, it could do so against Russian bases housing Russia’s mobile missile forces.
That Ukraine would carry out such attack likewise shows the extent to which western intelligence services are testing the waters for any future conflict with Russia—one that NATO and EU members say they are actively preparing for.
We have reached an existential crossroads in the SMO.
For Russia, the very red lines it deemed necessary to define regarding the possible use of nuclear weapons have been blatantly violated by not only Ukraine, but its western allies.
President Trump, who has been claiming to support a peace process between Russia and Ukraine, must now decide as to where the United States stands considering these developments.
His Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, has acknowledged that under the previous administration of Joe Biden the United States was engaged in a proxy war with Russia. Trump’s Special Envoy to Ukraine, Keith Kellogg, recently acknowledged the same about NATO.
In short, by continuing to support Ukraine, both the US and NATO have become active participants in a conflict which has now crossed the threshold regarding the employment of nuclear weapons.
The United States and the world stand on the precipice of a nuclear Armageddon of our own making.
Either we separate ourselves from the policies that have brought us to this point, or we accept the consequences of our actions, and pay the price.
We cannot live in a world where are future is dictated by the patience and restraint of a Russian leader in the face of provocations we are ourselves responsible for.
Ukraine, not Russia, represents an existential threat to humanity.
NATO, not Russia, is responsible for encouraging Ukraine to behave in such a reckless manner.
So, too, is the United States. The contradictory statements made by US policy makers regarding Russia provide political cover for Ukraine and its NATO enablers to plan and execute operations like Operation Spiderweb.
Senators Graham and Blumenthal should be called out for sedition if their intervention in Ukraine was done to deliberately sabotage a peace process President Trump has said is central to his vision of American national security going forward.
But it is Trump himself who must decide the fate of the world.
In the coming hours we will undoubtedly hear from the Russian President about how Russia will respond to this existential provocation.
Trump, too, must respond.
By telling Graham and Blumenthal and their supporters to stand down regarding Russian sanctions.
By ordering NATO and the EU to cease and desist from continuing to provide military and financial support to Ukraine.
And by taking sides in the SMO.
Choose Ukraine and trigger a nuclear war.
Choose Russia and save the world.
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Full article:
Playing with Fire
Ukraine’s Operation Spiderweb has crossed the threshold when it comes to triggering a Russian nuclear response. How Russia and the United States respond could determine the fate of the world.
scottritter.substack.com
Scott
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An article from Larry Johnson of Sonar21 just came out on the after effects of Operation Spiderweb. I thought it was quite good. It's here:
Quoting perhaps the most interesting part of the article:
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Then came Wednesday, June 4. We don’t know who initiated the call between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, but my money is on Trump. I posted Trump’s Truth Social post about that conversation at the head of this article.
Let’s focus on Trump’s spin about that exchange:
Following that conversation, the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv issued a Security Alert advising U.S. citizens in Ukraine to exercise heightened caution due to an increase in Russian missile and drone attacks across the country. U.S. citizens were urged to be prepared to shelter immediately in case of air raids or other attacks.
Message sent, message delivered. What is remarkable about Putin’s stance on the attacks last weekend is that this marks the first time he is openly accusing Ukraine, and “its supporters,” of terrorism. Quite a contrast to Putin’s previous responses to the terrorist attacks on the Kerch Bridge on October 8, 2022 and the Crocus City Hall on March 22, 2024. The attack on Crocus City Hall resulted in 145 fatalities and 551 injuries, yet Putin did not issue a warning like the one he did today.
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Quoting perhaps the most interesting part of the article:
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Then came Wednesday, June 4. We don’t know who initiated the call between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, but my money is on Trump. I posted Trump’s Truth Social post about that conversation at the head of this article.
Let’s focus on Trump’s spin about that exchange:
No more name calling by Trump. He is appropriately respectful, referring to “President Putin,” instead of describing Putin as crazy. I don’t know if this call took place before or after Putin’s televised meeting with his national security team, but Putin’s body language and tone of voice indicated controlled fury. I suspect he adopted the same posture with President Trump during their conversation. Trump left the chat with no doubt about Putin’s intention… he is going to respond in the strongest terms to the attack on the airfields.
Following that conversation, the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv issued a Security Alert advising U.S. citizens in Ukraine to exercise heightened caution due to an increase in Russian missile and drone attacks across the country. U.S. citizens were urged to be prepared to shelter immediately in case of air raids or other attacks.
Message sent, message delivered. What is remarkable about Putin’s stance on the attacks last weekend is that this marks the first time he is openly accusing Ukraine, and “its supporters,” of terrorism. Quite a contrast to Putin’s previous responses to the terrorist attacks on the Kerch Bridge on October 8, 2022 and the Crocus City Hall on March 22, 2024. The attack on Crocus City Hall resulted in 145 fatalities and 551 injuries, yet Putin did not issue a warning like the one he did today.
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Putin wants to maintain escalation dominance but I am getting really tired of him blaming "The Kiev Regime" which he now says is becoming a terrorist organization when the Russians know that this is simply an outpost of the Imperial Empire,,,,,that these operations are conducted by The Wall Street Mafia/CIA/Mi6/MOSSAD.....that the SBU is nothing but one local office....that their orders money and training comes from on high.
It is about counter striking the bases that have been striking Ukrainian civilians.
Russia needs to place defenses around their bases, and withdrawal their assets further back. It is a huge blow to them.
Chay Bowes
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This should have been enough of a Warning about the Kiev regime But NATO and the EU hates Russia more than they love Europe. And they will lay in bed with the most vile Nazi scum, who massacred their own people, to attempt to inflict harm on Moscow.
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Demented and suicidal.
Shadow of Ezra
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Russian President Vladimir Putin claims Ukraine is no longer just an "illegitimate regime"—but is now acting as a full-fledged terrorist organization.He accuses Ukrainian forces of pulling back on some fronts while escalating with what he calls terror attacks, all while hypocritically pushing for a ceasefire.“There is nothing to negotiate,” Putin says, “with those who choose terrorism.”
@ShadowofEzra
Russian President Vladimir Putin claims Ukraine is no longer just an "illegitimate regime"—but is now acting as a full-fledged terrorist organization.He accuses Ukrainian forces of pulling back on some fronts while escalating with what he calls terror attacks, all while hypocritically pushing for a ceasefire.“There is nothing to negotiate,” Putin says, “with those who choose terrorism.”
Lord Bebo
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BREAKING: Ukraine hit planes from the graveyard used for spare pets! The planes have no engines like on the plane graveyard!I WAS RIGHT! They have not hit a working A-50 EWACS. The amount of destroyed jets is low!Ahaha … the mission preparations were skipped?
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How humiliating for the Imperial Empire if true,.....but these are the same people who failed at Butler.
@MyLordBebo
BREAKING: Ukraine hit planes from the graveyard used for spare pets! The planes have no engines like on the plane graveyard!I WAS RIGHT! They have not hit a working A-50 EWACS. The amount of destroyed jets is low!Ahaha … the mission preparations were skipped?
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How humiliating for the Imperial Empire if true,.....but these are the same people who failed at Butler.
Scott
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As you know, we have some disagreements as to the Ukraine regime's autonomy. That being said, even if things are more the way you think then the way I think, it shouldn't matter- it's far better for both Russia and the U.S. to atleast -pretend- that Ukraine is the one in control, because it allows both to treat -each other- with more respect, which is how it should be, considering both could cause the destruction of the world.
Scott
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As I argued in the post you're responding to, I think that is false for the most part. As Scott Ritter pointed out, Ukraine targetted a lot of Russia's nuclear deterence capabilities- I'm sure you know that Russia hasn't hit Ukraine with any nukes as of yet. Your sentence makes another false assertion as well, this notion that Russia is targetting civilians. While Ukraine has certainly done this, I've seen no indication that Russia has.
From what I've read, they -had- defenses around many if not most of their bases, the thing was that in some cases, they just weren't enough for this unconventional attack. I imagine that they will certainly strengthen their defenses after this though.
Not from what I've read. It certainly seems to have angered Putin and others in positions of power in Russia, but from what I've seen, it didn't make much of a dent in Russia's nuclear deterrence capabilities.