Our Fine-Tuned Universe: Accident or Design?

ZenMode said:
Right, there are many societies that have traditions or moral views that we would not find acceptable here. Does the fact that they have those views mean that, in this case, the girl having her clitoris cut out doesn't experience all of the negative impacts of having her clitoris cut out?
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All surgery can be painful to some degree.
 
Hume said:
All surgery can be painful to some degree.
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Okay, let's try something a little closer to home that you and I will likely agree on because we are both atheists. Corporal punishment, to the degree that is still practiced in the United States, is practiced almost exclusively in the south. Not coincidentally, the South is also the part of the country that is the most religious. As the Bible says, don't spare the rod lest you spoil the child.

So, if we are talking about the morality or immorality of corporal punishment, do you think that hitting children with wooden boards in public is going to help their social and emotional development or hinder their social and emotional development?
 
ZenMode said:
Okay, let's try something a little closer to home that you and I will likely agree on because we are both atheists. Corporal punishment, to the degree that is still practiced in the United States, is practiced almost exclusively in the south. Not coincidentally, the South is also the part of the country that is the most religious. As the Bible says, don't spare the rod lest you spoil the child.

So, if we are talking about the morality or immorality of corporal punishment, do you think that hitting children with wooden boards in public is going to help their social and emotional development or hinder their social and emotional development?
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I think corporeal punishment has little empirical evidence of being effective behavioral modification.
 
Hume said:
Is not morality about how a person behaves?
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We are talking about whether or not the person hitting a child with a board is moral. We're not talking about how effective hitting a child with a board modifies their behavior.
 
ZenMode said:
We are talking about whether or not the person hitting a child with a board is moral. We're not talking about how effective hitting a child with a Ford modifies their behavior.
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I think I answered it.
The difference between violence and force is whether the action is justified.
 
Hume said:
Then I misunderstand. Morality is not about behavior?
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In a discussion about the morality of corporal punishment, you REALLY think the behavior we'd be discussing is the behavior of the child being hit with a board. That's REALLY what you think?
 
ZenMode said:
In a discussion about the morality of corporal punishment, you REALLY think the behavior we'd be discussing is the behavior of the child being hit with a board. That's REALLY what you think?
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Then I am missing the argument. Aren't we talking about the behavior of paddling the child?
 
Hume said:
Then I am missing the argument. Aren't we talking about the behavior of paddling the child?
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Again.....In a discussion about the morality of corporal punishment, you REALLY think the behavior we'd be discussing is the behavior of the child being hit with a board. That's REALLY what you think?
 
ZenMode said:
In a discussion about the morality of corporal punishment, you REALLY think the behavior we'd be discussing is the behavior of the child being hit with a board. That's REALLY what you think?
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You lost me. I was always talking about the act of paddling.
 
Hume said:
You lost me. I was always talking about the act of paddling.
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In the case of corporal punishment, when an adult is hitting a child with a board, who's behavior, as it relates to morality, do you think we are talking about?
 
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