Althea
Althea told me...
I'm pretty sure it was republicans who most recently blocked the extension of the college tuition funding.
So I suppose Ryan should take his own rhetoric to heart.
Paul Ryan: Greatest Line In Speech
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So I suppose Ryan should take his own rhetoric to heart.
Althea
Althea told me...
28 straight months of private sector job gains.
600,000 public sector job losses due to the small govt. crowd.
If there were no public sector cuts, unemployment would be 7.8%
If the govt. jobs grew at the rate they did under Raygun, Bush, and Bush 2.0, unemployment would be 7.3%
Cancel 2016.11
Darla
You know, you may be onto something. I have been thinking lately - what if we tried slashing taxes for the richest 1%?
cawacko
Well-known member
Instead of coming up with more short term tax breaks and extending the Bush tax cuts on a year-to-year basis we actually attempt to reform the tax code and lock in rates allowing business to plan and prepare better for the future?
Bills have to go through both houses of Congress, ya know.
In the Senate, although Democrats have a majority, the problem is abuse of the filibuster. Long overdue for a change...
Of course, you knew that, right?
cawacko
Well-known member
Bills have to go through both houses of Congress, ya know.
In the Senate, although Democrats have a majority, the problem is abuse of the filibuster. Long overdue for a change...
Of course, you knew that, right?
I guess I consider the Republican wins in the House and Senate in '94 a 'taking over of Congress' or the Democrats wins in the House and Senate in '06 as a 'taking over of Congress'. I don't consider the Republicans winning the House in '10 as a 'taking over of Congress'.
And yes I'm familiar with how a bill becomes law but thank you.
signalmankenneth
Verified User
Nothing up my sleeve?
[SIZE=+1]How many Lies did Ryan tell last night?[/SIZE][SIZE=+1][/SIZE][SIZE=+1] Link
■Accused President Obama’s health care law of funneling money away from Medicare “at the expense of the elderly.”
In fact, Medicare’s chief actuary says the law “substantially improves” the system’s finances, and Ryan himself has embraced the same savings.
■Accused Obama of doing “exactly nothing” about recommendations of a bipartisan deficit commission — which Ryan himself helped scuttle.
■Claimed the American people were “cut out” of stimulus spending. Actually, more than a quarter of all stimulus dollars went for tax relief for workers.
■Faulted Obama for failing to deliver a 2008 campaign promise to keep a Wisconsin plant open. It closed less than a month before Obama took office.
■Blamed Obama for the loss of a AAA credit rating for the U.S. Actually, Standard & Poor’s blamed the downgrade on the uncompromising stands of both Republicans and Democrats.
But hey, do facts matter to a racist teabagger?
He "wants his country back."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]How many Lies did Ryan tell last night?[/SIZE][SIZE=+1][/SIZE][SIZE=+1] Link
■Accused President Obama’s health care law of funneling money away from Medicare “at the expense of the elderly.”
In fact, Medicare’s chief actuary says the law “substantially improves” the system’s finances, and Ryan himself has embraced the same savings.
■Accused Obama of doing “exactly nothing” about recommendations of a bipartisan deficit commission — which Ryan himself helped scuttle.
■Claimed the American people were “cut out” of stimulus spending. Actually, more than a quarter of all stimulus dollars went for tax relief for workers.
■Faulted Obama for failing to deliver a 2008 campaign promise to keep a Wisconsin plant open. It closed less than a month before Obama took office.
■Blamed Obama for the loss of a AAA credit rating for the U.S. Actually, Standard & Poor’s blamed the downgrade on the uncompromising stands of both Republicans and Democrats.
But hey, do facts matter to a racist teabagger?
He "wants his country back."[/SIZE]
Republicans winning the House in 2010 is different. It brought out a slew of uneducated, uninformed, ignorant citizens who thought they knew about government. Those same new congressmen proceeded to refuse to do anything. At all. Working in conjunction with the Senate and their abuse of the filibuster, you have your answer.
The greatest line in his speech, though I did not listen to it, was probably, "good night"
Yeah, improving our crumbling infrastructure is a real bad idea, I can see why you don't support it.
cawacko
Well-known member
So were no longer allowed to pass budgets in this country with allocations directed toward infrastructure?
christiefan915
Catalyst
ROTFL. That's perfect!
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
apple0154
MEOW
They had 8 years worth of chances. Do you think because Romney is the "boss" people like McCain and all the other Repub furniture are going to disappear? The plans and ideas they hold will ooze back in like a mouldy slime. The back room boys are still there. Unless you think the Repub party is going through a complete make-over. Is that what you think?
Who in their right mind, not Right mind, would vote for the party that was in power when all the problems started? Ask yourself, does it make any sense to do so?
Dixie - In Memoriam
New member
No, I am sorry, the Republicans didn't have 8 years of unfettered power. I don't know what planet you lived on where that was a reality, but it wasn't this one. They had a couple years here and a couple years there, where they did control majorities in both the House and Senate, but they've not had supermajorities, and haven't been able to pass whatever ideas they might've had. Again... if this is the reality you and WB wish to reside in, there isn't much can be done. You are morons who don't live in the same reality with the rest of us. If some other goob wants to join you two in that reality, it still doesn't make it any more real.
Who in their right mind would vote for another 4 years like the ones we just had? That's the question. Obama has no new plan, it's more of the same... but bigger! That's your argument, we haven't spent enough stimulus.. we need to borrow and spend another $5 trillion doing the exact same things we just did, that didn't work. The definition of 'insanity' is to continue doing what doesn't work, expecting a different result.
apple0154
MEOW
Time for a reality check. Who was in power promoting wars like Ben & Gerry promotes ice cream? I was beginning to think Bush was competing for a News Anchor job! Which party used up all the extra funds accumulated by the Dems during the 90s, funds that could have paid hospital bills and medical insurance policies? Which party was in power and did nothing but watch the financial crisis evolve? Was Bush on TV warning us about the financial crisis or campaigning for war?
Of course the Dems voted along with the Repubs when it came to war policy. What you conveniently forget is the Dems didn't have ALL the information regarding the wars. All they could do was vote on the information given to them, information that was screened and packaged by Repubs. Obviously when the Repubs presented selected information the Dems were going to do whatever was necessary to protect the country. How could they have known it was all lies when certain information was withheld?
If your attention deficit disorder prevents you watching a 4 minute video just watch the first 40 seconds. Once that sinks in you might be able to handle the rest.
Rather than understand the consequences of 8 years of destructive administration your suggestion is to hand the keys back to the party who drove the country in the ditch in the first place. I'm sure you've heard Cheney talking about Iran and Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan and preaching troops and war with every breath. Do you think people like Cheney are not going to influence Romney? All those lying, war-mongering Repubs are still there. They haven't gone anywhere. What influence do you think Romney has on the typical Repub in Congress? Well, I'll tell you. Little to none. It's the Cheneys and the McCains and the other lifetime fixtures who will put Romney in his place real quick.
Do you know what Romney would hear if he was President? "Do you want to pass a bill? Fine. To get along you go along and we want....."
If Romney is a "moderate", as some folks claim, he will be negotiating with his own party more often than with the Dems. His own party will not support ANY medical plan. The only thing likely to happen is ObamaCare is obstructed/defunded and you're back to the same old, same old. The job market is different. Many part-time, temporary jobs. That means most jobs will not offer medical care or people will be insured one day and not the next as they change jobs.
The Repubs are and were aware of the coming reality. Just as they knew the reality of working for a company for 30+ years and building up a pension plan was coming to an end they realized more and more people will be depending on SS so they tossed out the idea of private pensions. That might be a great idea IF one could count on a steady job but that's not the case. As people change jobs and are unemployed for short periods they'll use their pension contributions to live hoping to make up the shortfall through the next job. At the end of the road, on retirement day, they'll see they never made regular contributions. Back to the '30s when people had no pension money. Back to the '30s when there was no SS.
The Repubs want to cut social programs when there's never been a greater need for them. And when that happens and the Repubs are, once again, kicked out and the Dems come back people will complain what's taking the Dems so long to get social programs going. Just like those same folks are complaining about how long it's taking to get the economy going. You have to realize the damage done takes time to repair.
This mess is the product of eight years of Republican administration. Blaming the Dems because it's taking time to clean up the mess doesn't make any sense, no sense at all. And, yes, it can get worse. A lot worse under another Repub administration.
What better way to shut up the people than to start a war? Patriotism. Sacrifice. People are bitching about ObamaCare and the possibility of not keeping their own insurance policies ( a lie, btw) but under a Repub administration they'll be falling all over themselves so happy to be scratching and clawing and doing without all in the name of patriotism. Start a war, tell the people they're fighting for their way of life, that the boogey-man is at the door and they'll forget about not being able to see a doctor or that they're living on noodles and hot dogs, all in the name of patriotism and sacrifice.
What better plan could there be? Make the conditions worse and the people happier. Well, at least the Repub people. Go figure.
Dixie - In Memoriam
New member
All I can say, Apple, is if Obama can't even fix the mess left by Bush, how the hell is he going to fix the mess created the past 4 years?
apple0154
MEOW
He is fixing the mess, Dixie. He's slowly getting the troops home and he's not rattling sabers or cages doing it. Simply saying, "Oops, sorry. We're going home now.", after turning the lives of countless people up-side down doesn't quite cut it. Leaving the people pissed off is only going to result in more problems. That's the thing about cleaning up other people's mess. It's a long and difficult job if it's to be done right.
Then there's the economy. We all know the reality has changed with free trade and businesses moving overseas. Instead of Bush and the Repubs making plans, if not actually putting any into effect, to deal with the new reality their solution was to further remove government help. Surely they knew people would be out of work as they saw the companies going overseas. Surely they knew people would lose their medical plans along with their jobs. Surely they knew the changes that would affect how pension plans operated where contributions were automatically deducted from pay checks over the 30 or so years many people usually worked. The Repubs knew all that and what was their plan? Their plan was to dissociate government. Their plan was to throw the citizens under the bus. That was their plan, be it the partial privatization of pensions to the rejection of ObamaCare. Quietly and systematically pull the safety net out from under the citizens. In short, to hell with the people.
That is what Obama has been working on for the last four years. While he's been cleaning up the mess and trying to give the American people some reassurance they will have medical coverage and some stability by extending UI the Repubs have been doing everything in their power to obstruct him. While he has been trying to keep jobs by bailing out GM and helping other companies the Repubs take one failure like Solyndra and use it to ridicule his efforts.
The economy is improving. The time involved and the less than superior results are not an indictment of Obama's policies but evidence of the extent of damage caused by the former administration. Obama is putting in place plans and objectives to help the people after the Repub government spent eight years not only avoiding doing so but deliberately attempting to distance the government from the people in a time of need.
Maybe it's time to change the Preamble to read, "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, must turn our backs on the citizens when they need us the most." Isn't that the Repub philosophy?