Paul Sancya / AP 10 hours Raise the Minimum Wage? Foes Say They'll Stop Tipping???

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signalmankenneth

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Well, wasn't the idea of tipping being that they made so little an hour and tipping was a way to compensate them? If they are being paid $15/hour why do I then need to tip on top of it? Can you explain?
 
those non-tippers need to realize that there will be extra added ingredients in their orders the NEXT time they dine out.

bon appétit!
 
maineman said:
those non-tippers need to realize that there will be extra added ingredients in their orders the NEXT time they dine out.

bon appétit!
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Simply astounding.

Do these greedy, self absorbed douche nozzles understand the people MAKING minimum wage had NOTHING TO DO with it being raised?

Of course not...but then, the greedy and selfish can always find an acceptable excuse for their selfish attitudes.
 
Teflon Don said:
Well, wasn't the idea of tipping being that they made so little an hour and tipping was a way to compensate them? If they are being paid $15/hour why do I then need to tip on top of it? Can you explain?
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Yeah, that does really negate the purpose of tipping. My wife makes like $3.60 an hour in wages. She makes it up through tips. She does well too, not great, but well. She makes more than $15 an hour through tips and most of her paycheck goes straight to taxes. She'd quit if they all made the same, because it would lessen the value of her work, and would probably make even less because people wouldn't tip at that point. Though, there are some nights when all the 'WWE' fans come to the bar... and she wishes she did make minimum wage. 2 out of 3 tables stiff her on those nights.
 
Kind of interesting the question they ask of why do we tip in the first place? As mentioned in some countries you don't tip at all.
 
maineman said:
those non-tippers need to realize that there will be extra added ingredients in their orders the NEXT time they dine out.

bon appétit!
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lol, well not always, but you will get treated differently. Don't count on a fresh refill by the time your drink is empty, that's for sure.If you're a jerk AND you don't tip....you will become a topic of facebook/twitter conversation, and you might even get a picture taken to be put on a wall of shame.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Simply astounding.

Do these greedy, self absorbed douche nozzles understand the people MAKING minimum wage had NOTHING TO DO with it being raised?

Of course not...but then, the greedy and selfish can always find an acceptable excuse for their selfish attitudes.
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What does it matter that the servers didn't write the law?
 
cawacko said:
What does it matter that the servers didn't write the law?
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Sometimes you get the idea that people think that the teenaged burger flipper ought to make the same as the brain surgeon. They seem to think that a level of expertise required to do a job shouldn't make any difference in pay. Entitlement age is correct, IMO.
 
cawacko said:
Kind of interesting the question they ask of why do we tip in the first place? As mentioned in some countries you don't tip at all.
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In most places around the country, the minimum wage for a server is far less than the minimum wage for someone else. They expect tips simply because it actually costs them to serve someone if they don't. Taxes are assumed based off of the total sale. This is because many tips come in the form of cash, and it can be hidden income. So it's basically written as law that servers make money through tips, and if you don't they are screwed. I don't necessarily disagree with that, because it helps reward good servers. Like I said, my wife makes more than her counterparts because she busts her butt. She also has the personality that fits right in with the clientele, and they love how she interacts with them.
 
DigitalDave said:
lol, well not always, but you will get treated differently. Don't count on a fresh refill by the time your drink is empty, that's for sure.If you're a jerk AND you don't tip....you will become a topic of facebook/twitter conversation, and you might even get a picture taken to be put on a wall of shame.
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after a while, a non-tipper can almost be guaranteed of some extra mucous or semen in their milkshakes and salad dressing.... and at no extra charge. Well deserved, if you ask me.
 
maineman said:
after a while, a non-tipper can almost be guaranteed of some extra mucous or semen in their milkshakes and salad dressing.... and at no extra charge. Well deserved, if you ask me.
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lol... well my wife refrains from those types of shenanigans, but she isn't opposed if someone else does it at another establishment that happens to see the 'Wall of Shame'. There are servers/cooks willing to go that far, and it isn't just her place of business that sees that wall. If you get on there, don't count on getting good service anywhere.
 
leaningright said:
Sometimes you get the idea that people think that the teenaged burger flipper ought to make the same as the brain surgeon. They seem to think that a level of expertise required to do a job shouldn't make any difference in pay. Entitlement age is correct, IMO.
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Well, ya gotta close that income gap ya know....income inequality has gotta go.....lol....now watch them all whine, "but thats not what we meant".....

Next thing ya know, these berger flippers will be expected to pay an income tax....


That terrible income gap between the brain surgeon and french fry engineer has gotta be narrowed.....for fairness....

Maybe the tax burden between citizens ought be narrowed too.....
 
DigitalDave said:
In most places around the country, the minimum wage for a server is far less than the minimum wage for someone else. They expect tips simply because it actually costs them to serve someone if they don't. Taxes are assumed based off of the total sale. This is because many tips come in the form of cash, and it can be hidden income. So it's basically written as law that servers make money through tips, and if you don't they are screwed. I don't necessarily disagree with that, because it helps reward good servers. Like I said, my wife makes more than her counterparts because she busts her butt. She also has the personality that fits right in with the clientele, and they love how she interacts with them.
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That would be my thought why we tip as well. If we change the structure so that servers make the same amount of money but it is in the form of all salary instead low wage and tips does that make diners selfish and greedy for not tipping as Zappa suggested?
 
leaningright said:
Sometimes you get the idea that people think that the teenaged burger flipper ought to make the same as the brain surgeon. They seem to think that a level of expertise required to do a job shouldn't make any difference in pay. Entitlement age is correct, IMO.
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Where exactly are you getting this idea, besides from the right winged pundits? Who exactly on the left is saying that burger flippers should earn the same as a brain surgeon?

I support a wage for workers that brings them out of poverty and off food stamps. Aren't you as a tax payer tired of subsidizing business?
 
leaningright said:
Sometimes you get the idea that people think that the teenaged burger flipper ought to make the same as the brain surgeon. They seem to think that a level of expertise required to do a job shouldn't make any difference in pay. Entitlement age is correct, IMO.
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Here is a photo of the $10.10 per hour brain surgeon:

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cawacko said:
That would be my thought why we tip as well. If we change the structure so that servers make the same amount of money but it is in the form of all salary instead low wage and tips does that make diners selfish and greedy for not tipping as Zappa suggested?
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The article in the OP is about backlash in Seattle where, in fact, waitstaff earn the actual minimum wage plus tips, not sub-minimum wage with the balance covered by tip income. But where people already tip waitstaff that earn the minimum wage, it seems to me that not tipping anymore because the minimum wage increases is kind of a dick move.


Edit: But, then again, the proposal is to increase the minimum wage to $15 per hour so I suppose I can see where they are coming from.
 
leaningright said:
Sometimes you get the idea that people think that the teenaged burger flipper ought to make the same as the brain surgeon. They seem to think that a level of expertise required to do a job shouldn't make any difference in pay. Entitlement age is correct, IMO.
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I think you'd be hard pressed to quote anyone on these forums claiming that a burger flipper should be paid the same as a brain surgeon.
 
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