Pentagon:Iraq carnage soars

His anti-aircraft systems opened up on our planes for 12 years, but he wasn't a threat to the US. Just any US pilots patroling the area. QUOTE]

now...if you could show me ONE case where ONE piece of ordinance from Saddam's AA systems ever impacted a US warplane, then maybe you'd have a minor point....but alas.... you cannot.

If I am surrounding your house with tanks and you shoot at those tanks with paperclips propelled by rubber bands, are you really a threat to me or to the tank crew?

try again.

How you see the war in Iraq is unimportant to me. I know you see it wrong. And I know that the majority of Americans agree with me. We're gonna take the keys away from you inept incompetent assholes and its gonna start in November
 
If that is what you have to twist this thing into to make it work for you... that's fine. I can understand how you don't want to think for a minute that Bush sexed up the case against Saddam in order to convince well meaning kind hearted gullible folks like yourself...but he did. There was no connection to 9/11. There were no WMD's... he was not a threat to his neighbors and had not been one since we kicked his ass before. This war in Iraq did not need to be fought. It was not a logical step in the war on terror. It has not made us any safer

The rhetorical orcale has spoken, and therefore it is so. Now can you present the unrefutable evidence that bush lied? Stop crying about the damn connection to 911, I have yet to state that once! I HAVE STATED SEVERAL TIMEs THAT IT WAS IN MY OPINION THERE WAS ENOUGH REASON WITHOUT YOUR DAMN WMD'S! And yeah we know how the so called terrorists in iraq were a different kind, like the good ones right? :rolleyes:

Now go ahead and state that he was a swell guy and all, it was just an issue for how long? you state all these other countries are slapping us in the face but had it been one of the other countries you would be crying foul for some other reason as well! Don't matter what the cause, the issue, the failed sanctions, you will find a way to make a bad case against it because it is against YOUR party.
 
They blew up a nuclear reactor. No one has ever suggested that it has been replaced or rebuilt in the intervening years. What is your point?

First of the question was'nt directed at you! so long as we are on it though it should stand for good reason to show the ambitions of the troubled regime, it should also show for some the timeline of issues. But we know once Saddam is told he can't do something that he would certainly never attempt it twice because he is just too honest for that....
 
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precisely mainman...

btw, we should let iran spend all its money, and build a reacter... then do the same, wipe it out...end of story! no war needed, just intelligence/good satelites, few insiders, and precise missles etc...whalah!

Oh but that would be above our moral standards I would think, no?

Funny thing is that it really does'nt even matter. Had we went that route for the so called taken out of simple suspected areas where weapons caches may of been, that too would of been a problem of some sort. No matter what it will be something this administration has done that is serving injustice to the left.
 
No, no, no. Don't mix your metaphors. That would be either a cheerleading chickenhawk, or a blooldthirsty warmonger.

There's no excuse for sloppy sarcasm.

Still have the gift of throwing the jabs with the quick one liners but lack the brainpower to add anything, no big surprise.....:rolleyes:
 
Where are these people's loyalties? To america? Or to George W. Chimp?

Spoken just like a tool would speak. But yeah we know you don't have a partisan view.....:rolleyes:

mudflap, come out of hiding and show everyone you really have a set.
 
How you see the war in Iraq is unimportant to me. I know you see it wrong. And I know that the majority of Americans agree with me. We're gonna take the keys away from you inept incompetent assholes and its gonna start in November

LOL, still going on with the we stuff eh? who's driving? you, maybe mudflap could be your co-pilot too?
 
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And WHAT benefit would come from doing what you recommended?

We don't send men and women to DIE for our country UNLESS we are in imminent danger...got it?

This pre-emptive war crap has got to stop! If YOU haven't learned a lesson by 50-100000 people DEAD and we are no better for it and 20,000 American children and parents DEAD OR WOUNDED for it...you would think that you would learn something from YOUR mistakes....but I guess your manhood can't deal with that now can it?

The Bush Doctrine is the WORST PIECE OF CRAP that ever existed as far as I am concerned and it has LEFT US UNSAFE....

HOW many DEAD will it take gaffer? How about your whole family killed, will that do it? noooo, you want to nuke Iraq...SO i ASK AGAIN, WHAT BENEFIT TO THE usa CITIZEN WILL come from this kind of talk of MEASURE?

please answer this...

care


A pre-emptive war is the best way to go. Cripple the enemy before he strikes you. It keeps your casualties down. As long as appeasement and containment are used we will NEVER be safe.

saddam is history. He's not worth harping over except for the Bush haters who have to dig up any dirt they can and fuel the fire of their hatred. iraq is now a part of a bigger war. the strategies change as the war goes on. The enemy adapts to what you do and you adapt to their adaptation and so on.

People die in war. That's a fact of life. A lot less innocent people died in iraq than you think. 100.000 iraq soldiers may have been killed but nowhere near that many civilians. The news covered a lot of the advancing and some of the fighting but nowhere near all the pitch battles that occured.

There were more bodies buried in mass graves throughout iraq then were killed in the war. we invaded the country and occupied it and dealt with insergents and left overs and islamofacists coming into the country. Our troops there now are preventing a civil war form breaking out outright. And the casualties have been extremely low by comparison to any other war fought for this long a period of time. Of course that's looking at it from a purely strategic point of view. which in the long run is the only way to look at a war. If you try to get down to how each individual feels and thinks that's another level and you can't conduct or win a war based on that.

My nephew is there right now. On his third tour. So I do have a stake in this game. He has a wife and five kids. He's making a career of the army. I want to see him and everyone over there come home safe.

Those wounded and killed there now are killed by murdering thugs who explode bombs against our troops and don't care who else gets caught in the blast. They also kill one another because one side doesn't believe the same as the other. They all follow the religion of death and until that is iradicated there will be no change over there. The Bush Doctrine is an attempt to peacefully change that. It could work given enough time. But we are talking generations here. I don't see it succeeding. At least not until iran is taken down. This is not a war for oil as mInUteman likes to call it. It's a war with islam. Iraq is just where we have troops at present that can actually take on the thugs. They are flocking there to fight our troops. There's a lot of fighting in Afgan as well. Not as much news out of that cause the liberal media wants to cover iraq and stir up people like you against the government and the military. The libs have been stirring the pot against iraq since the start for their own politcal gain and nothing more.

I support the troops. If that's a pompom waver, then so be it. There are plenty of things Bush does I don't like but I refuse to undermine him in time of war when he is the commander in chief.

Now I have to go as a friend of my son in law just stopped by to say hi, He's home on leave from Iraq for 15 days R&R.
 
The rhetorical orcale has spoken, and therefore it is so. Now can you present the unrefutable evidence that bush lied? Stop crying about the damn connection to 911, I have yet to state that once! I HAVE STATED SEVERAL TIMEs THAT IT WAS IN MY OPINION THERE WAS ENOUGH REASON WITHOUT YOUR DAMN WMD'S! And yeah we know how the so called terrorists in iraq were a different kind, like the good ones right? :rolleyes:

Now go ahead and state that he was a swell guy and all, it was just an issue for how long? you state all these other countries are slapping us in the face but had it been one of the other countries you would be crying foul for some other reason as well! Don't matter what the cause, the issue, the failed sanctions, you will find a way to make a bad case against it because it is against YOUR party.

you are wrong about me.... I volunteered to go back on active duty after 9/11. I was totally supportive of Bush's actions in Afghanistan.... this isn't about party...it's about right and wrong and I am totally convinced that there was absolutely NOTHING going on in Iraq that was so terrible that it was worth 20 thousand dead and wounded Americans and a half a trillion dollars. I don't care if JFK had come back from the dead to endorse this war, I would still be dead against it.... and mark my words, just like I have been right about every single prediction I have ever made about Iraq, I will be right about this one: history will agree with me. This will go down in history as the single biggest mistake in American foreign policy...ever.
 
And russia is the one that took the wmds out before the invasion. That's documented too.
and let me guess...you receive this "documentation" only when you step outside at night in your backyard wearing your tinfoil hat?

Provide this "documentation" or retract that statement.

and P.S. tinfoil hat brigage blogs don't count as "documentation"
 
and let me guess...you receive this "documentation" only when you step outside at night in your backyard wearing your tinfoil hat?

Provide this "documentation" or retract that statement.

and P.S. tinfoil hat brigage blogs don't count as "documentation"
Psssshhhh! Not even close. You have to bury $500 in your back yard and wait for them to contact you.
 
you are wrong about me.... I volunteered to go back on active duty after 9/11. I was totally supportive of Bush's actions in Afghanistan.... this isn't about party...it's about right and wrong and I am totally convinced that there was absolutely NOTHING going on in Iraq that was so terrible that it was worth 20 thousand dead and wounded Americans and a half a trillion dollars. I don't care if JFK had come back from the dead to endorse this war, I would still be dead against it.... and mark my words, just like I have been right about every single prediction I have ever made about Iraq, I will be right about this one: history will agree with me. This will go down in history as the single biggest mistake in American foreign policy...ever.

Perhaps with such high ranking predicitons you should be working in the casinos but for now showing the clear cut evidence that it's all a lie would work. I could give a rats ass less what your predicitons were or currently are on anything to be honest, I am not discussing this for any sort of prize am I?

Again, iraq was an issue that did not even need the so-called lies, the problems were going to go on forever because your wonderful U.N relatively endorsed it. What was the answer oh mighty predictor? diplomacy, sanctions, what? it all failed! I know how you will claim they were all working so wonderfully, saddam was just an upstanding fine man, he could of never been dishonest, and the other happy horseshit that goes along with it. HOW LONG DO YOU LEAVE A DEFIANT DICTATOR IN PLACE WHEN NOTHING ELSE IS WORKING?
 
and let me guess...you receive this "documentation" only when you step outside at night in your backyard wearing your tinfoil hat?

Provide this "documentation" or retract that statement.

and P.S. tinfoil hat brigage blogs don't count as "documentation"

What is a brigage?

The russians were indeed supplying iraq, they supplied iraq with jamming devices that were taken out pretty fast, in fact they had some political figures accidentally killed in the begining of the invasion if you recall, maybe they were there for one last cup of tea with saddam?
 
you are wrong about me.... I volunteered to go back on active duty after 9/11. I was totally supportive of Bush's actions in Afghanistan.... this isn't about party...it's about right and wrong and I am totally convinced that there was absolutely NOTHING going on in Iraq that was so terrible that it was worth 20 thousand dead and wounded Americans and a half a trillion dollars. I don't care if JFK had come back from the dead to endorse this war, I would still be dead against it.... and mark my words, just like I have been right about every single prediction I have ever made about Iraq, I will be right about this one: history will agree with me. This will go down in history as the single biggest mistake in American foreign policy...ever.

20k dead and wounded. You took the dead and multiplied x 10? Interesting. In any case, I hope each soul of the dead, visits you.
 
and let me guess...you receive this "documentation" only when you step outside at night in your backyard wearing your tinfoil hat?

Provide this "documentation" or retract that statement.

and P.S. tinfoil hat brigage blogs don't count as "documentation"

It could well be the very same place you will have to go to get your evidence on all the lies, oh well now reduced to sexed up intelligence.
 
20k dead and wounded. You took the dead and multiplied x 10? Interesting. In any case, I hope each soul of the dead, visits you.

it was pure accident, Im certain of it as maine does not see this in a patisan way by no means at all..
 
His anti-aircraft systems opened up on our planes for 12 years, but he wasn't a threat to the US. Just any US pilots patroling the area. QUOTE]

now...if you could show me ONE case where ONE piece of ordinance from Saddam's AA systems ever impacted a US warplane, then maybe you'd have a minor point....but alas.... you cannot.

If I am surrounding your house with tanks and you shoot at those tanks with paperclips propelled by rubber bands, are you really a threat to me or to the tank crew?

try again.

How you see the war in Iraq is unimportant to me. I know you see it wrong. And I know that the majority of Americans agree with me. We're gonna take the keys away from you inept incompetent assholes and its gonna start in November

So it doesn't matter to you that our pilots were endangered by these anti air craft systems. They missed so all is ok. I never stated a thing about any of our planes being shot down, just shot at. But hey since when did the facts get in your way.

the tank analogy doesn't work. A SAM is not a paperclip. The pilots lives were at risk everytime one of these systems came on line.

How I see the war in iraq is very important to you or you wouldn't be so quick to jump in the posts. You always make sure to get your little talking points in on every thread involving iraq. I don't agree to disagree with you. Your wrong on everything you stand for.

The only republicans likely to lose seats in Nov will be rinos. If you don't win big what will you blame it on then?
 
So it doesn't matter to you that our pilots were endangered by these anti air craft systems. They missed so all is ok. I never stated a thing about any of our planes being shot down, just shot at. But hey since when did the facts get in your way.

the tank analogy doesn't work. A SAM is not a paperclip. The pilots lives were at risk everytime one of these systems came on line.

How I see the war in iraq is very important to you or you wouldn't be so quick to jump in the posts. You always make sure to get your little talking points in on every thread involving iraq. I don't agree to disagree with you. Your wrong on everything you stand for.

The only republicans likely to lose seats in Nov will be rinos. If you don't win big what will you blame it on then?

And once again totally wipe out the whole wmd issue and this here is just the tip of it all, the shit goes back as many years one would care to believe. If the tab keeper kept his tabs in check he too wouild know this, well I'm sure he does but were also talking about a guy who thinks sanctions worked, The dandy U.N had it all in check, and blah blah blah, only problem is that was the re-occuring issues year after year. Cry about billions, then cry about the billion wasted with the shithole known as the U.N.
 
M*therf*ckers like you, who cheerled us into this war, don't have the foggiest clue of the carnage you caused, do you. These are the official Pentagon numbers dumbass:


http://www.icasualties.org/oif/

Mother fuckers like you who hide behind your little playdoh ignore list, then jump of to see what someone had said in the guest view has nothing to speak of.
Tough talk, but can't walk the walk. I bet you are the same type asshole behind the wheel of a car as well, totally bad ass until someone motion you to pull over, and then ya run like hell....Whatever mudflap, you nothing more than a wannabe politician with nothing worthy to add except copy & past articles doing the talking for you.

And while you are on the subject of cheerleading, I have to tell you that you and most of your fudgepacking buddies do it here very well, with your one liners, and the constant ranting of the same exact shit that come out of the mouths of YOUR beloved party..

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