People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb

That's the problem; you want instant solutions. As unlikely as they are, they are even moreso when a fair portion of the minority population is hellbent on presenting itself as defunct.

How about we all work our hardest at living and develop a reputation?

I have done so, I have taught my children to do so,what is your suggestion for people who don't. Your solutions are anecdotal as Baxter said.

It is like saying,we can all just get along! Kumbyah!
 
That's the problem; you want instant solutions. As unlikely as they are, they are even moreso when a fair portion of the minority population is hellbent on presenting itself as defunct.

How about we all work our hardest at living and develop a reputation?

You make no sense; sorry. We have made a lot of progress since the days when job ads specified "white men only" ... and that's been through a whole lot of legislation. Progress can be made fast, without having to wait for the glacial pace of generations passing.

as far as "a fair portion of the minority population is hellbent on presenting itself as defunct." - HUH? no idea what you mean by that.

Hard work meant nothing when people would just not hire you because you were female or black; took legislation to stop blatant discrimination. Or remember when black people and jews couldn't be admitted to certain colleges? That also was changed bluntly. Of course, there's still discrimination, although more subtle. That's where affirmative action programs come in- if you end up with 95% white college, you're probably discriminating.
 
That's the problem; you want instant solutions. As unlikely as they are, they are even moreso when a fair portion of the minority population is hellbent on presenting itself as defunct.

How about we all work our hardest at living and develop a reputation?

So if everybody just works harder at their job, discrimination, racism and poverty will just... vanish? Really, this individual responsibility crap has become less a decent sentiment, and more an excuse for ignoring despotism.
 
No, its like saying you want to be treated as an adult, or a strong competent group. Every migrant wave that came over from across the water faced discrimination. Japanese, Italian, w.e.

Guess what? Asian stereotypes tend to be skewed positively. In fact, Asians in America make more per capita than Whites. But 80 years ago they were good for no more than pounding railways. Japanese during WWII had their homes striped from them. They didn't wish themselves a better life. They didn't grab their crotch and claim to suddenly not have a negative stereotype. They worked hard.

The problems for every cultural group is rooted in history and is often complex, but the old American Dream of upward mobility is there for those who suit up and reach for it.
 
No, its like saying you want to be treated as an adult, or a strong competent group. Every migrant wave that came over from across the water faced discrimination. Japanese, Italian, w.e.

Guess what? Asian stereotypes tend to be skewed positively. In fact, Asians in America make more per capita than Whites. But 80 years ago they were good for no more than pounding railways. Japanese during WWII had their homes striped from them. They didn't wish themselves a better life. They didn't grab their crotch and claim to suddenly not have a negative stereotype. They worked hard.

So do blacks work hard, you fall for the stereotypes! Talk about perpetuation! Asians were not considered less than human, either. The discrimination against blacks was much more severe.
 
I merely point out that popular culture and its negative self portrayal is in stark contrast with the words of their perceived cultural leadership.

And I suppose living in a horse stable, sleeping in the hay is totally not subhuman.
 
No, its like saying you want to be treated as an adult, or a strong competent group. Every migrant wave that came over from across the water faced discrimination. Japanese, Italian, w.e.

Guess what? Asian stereotypes tend to be skewed positively. In fact, Asians in America make more per capita than Whites. But 80 years ago they were good for no more than pounding railways. Japanese during WWII had their homes striped from them. They didn't wish themselves a better life. They didn't grab their crotch and claim to suddenly not have a negative stereotype. They worked hard.

And Africans have been in the Americans since the fifteen and sixteen hundreds. They've also been demanding equal rights and treatment, even turning to Garveyism, since their emancipation. But I'm sure if they wait it out some more, everything'll be fine.

The problems for every cultural group is rooted in history and is often complex, but the old American Dream of upward mobility is there for those who suit up and reach for it.

No, it's not. For those life time farmers, things aren't getting any better, especially in our current economy. The same thing could be said about children from many inner-city schools, or broken families. And for single parents, the disabled, those lacking an education, or now that there really aren't any good jobs available, your typical, above average college grad.
 
And Africans have been in the Americans since the fifteen and sixteen hundreds. They've also been demanding equal rights and treatment, even turning to Garveyism, since their emancipation. But I'm sure if they wait it out some more, everything'll be fine.

Actually I believe this to be true, I hope you weren't being sarcastic. In fact I've seen (many, many) more judgments made on clothing and posture than skin tone.

No, it's not. For those life time farmers, things aren't getting any better, especially in our current economy. The same thing could be said about children from many inner-city schools, or broken families. And for single parents, the disabled, those lacking an education, or now that there really aren't any good jobs available, your typical, above average college grad.

College graduate surplus is another issue, I think. But no, I don't think the America dream is dead. I consider myself one of its stories.
 
There is a predisposition to prejudice in less intelligent individuals, yes.

But I don't think Howey appreciates that; intelligent though he may be, he's quite quick to insert foot in mouth.

While I'm here I suppose I should point out that because our thought processes are based on yes/no categories, and we as humans categorize we thus discriminate it is present in all of us to a degree. The picture some seem willing to paint is that ONLY ignorant/stupid people are biased/raciest/discriminatory, that knowledge will save them, and that by proxy most conservatives are biased. I firmly believe most aren't, in fact.

For example I don't think I am racist, and I don't know anyone who has called me so to my face. At least not *outside an informal debate in an unmoderated environment*

:facepalm: You don't have to be a racist just because you are stupid, moron. You are the perfect proof of that if you are truly not racist.

What is beyond debate though, is that the conservative mind is a more primitive one, with thought processes guided by fear and rigid thinking.
Lower intelligence is often present and since racism is instinctual and must be suppressed by learned thought, it is obvious that the conservative mind is more prone to racism.
 
I think Pisskop needs to take some different classes than the ones he has been taking... he doesn't seem to understand the history of this country, particularly when it comes to discrimination against women and minorities.
 
:facepalm: You don't have to be a racist just because you are stupid, moron. You are the perfect proof of that if you are truly not racist.

What is beyond debate though, is that the conservative mind is a more primitive one, with thought processes guided by fear and rigid thinking.
Lower intelligence is often present and since racism is instinctual and must be suppressed by learned thought, it is obvious that the conservative mind is more prone to racism.

Rigid and more formed in the past, yes. More focused on proven method. How do you get primitive is beyond me. What about flip-floppers? What makes a progressive any less susceptible to the MSM or lies than a conservative


I think Pisskop needs to take some different classes than the ones he has been taking... he doesn't seem to understand the history of this country, particularly when it comes to discrimination against women and minorities.

Ohh? Now women are in the piture I mentioned women? Tell me what minorities I've misunderstood?
 
Your thought process might be based on yes or no, mine go a little deeper, but thanks for the help in communicating with you.

I was going to advise you not to waste your time with the idiot, but I can see you are having too much fun to stop. It's complete lack of humility is quite astounding.
 
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Rigid and more formed in the past, yes. More focused on proven method. How do you get primitive is beyond me. What about flip-floppers? What makes a progressive any less susceptible to the MSM or lies than a conservative?

It's proven science dude. I don't care if you believe in science or not. Most other conservatives don't either.

I am definitely not going to debate it with you, which is why I said it is beyond debate. Isn't there a keg party tonight or something?
 
LuL.

Science has proven no such thing. There may be theories posed by certain . . . groups. Im babysitting tonight. In Section 8 housing for a family friend.
 
What's level about an underperforming individual getting a position based solely on their race, sex, creed, orientation, when another individual who can perform adequately is shut out.


What benefit is there to purposely culling better talent for worse? Where is the merit in that? How is that fair?


Lets be frank: This isn't about equality. This is about selfish petty vengeance.

Ah, now I see why you are worth the effort to put on ignore.
By the way, it is very funny that you don't think you are a racist.
You are a perfect textbook conservative, including the low intelligence.
Real problem though is that you have absolutely nothing to offer whatsoever, except your vast misinterpretations.

At least an older conservative moron like Cawako is funny. You've got nothing, kid, except an over-inflated ego,
and despite your best self appraisal, you are a racist, so goodbye forever.
 
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Shame you're so stuck up. Talk about smug. You do seem like you'd be a good debate. Suppose you'd have to be. . .
 
Rigid and more formed in the past, yes. More focused on proven method. How do you get primitive is beyond me. What about flip-floppers? What makes a progressive any less susceptible to the MSM or lies than a conservative




Ohh? Now women are in the piture I mentioned women? Tell me what minorities I've misunderstood?

From my observation, all of them. Comparing the plight of the Asian to Black men, women and children who were beaten or killed by their masters, sold as property, bred as animals, husband, wives and children split up and sold never to see each other again, shows a great lack of education. The Asians were discrimated against, had horrible working and living conditions and were paid poorly for their labors, but their history is nothing compared to the slaves.
 
So now my comparisons are off? Well, if they are then any comparison of people to one another is suspect, and ultimately one human being cannot be compared to another.

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