PEOPLE WHO PURCHASE GAS-POWERED CARS: ‘SORT OF LIKE BUILDING A HORSE BARN IN 1910’

[PostmodernProphet]

If you buy a gas car now, you're gonna have trouble selling it in ten years.
It'll be obsolete.

tell that to a 32 Ford coupe......

 

[gfm7175]

Is it your contention that ONLY 'MAGA' people are in to gas powered vehicles?

Yes, that's precisely what Joe Socialist thinks. His mind masters also tell him that 'MAGA' people are causing "climate change". Hillary Clinton has already tweeted out such messaging, and I doubt that she's alone in that thought.

So yes, only 'MAGA' people drive gasoline powered vehicles because only 'MAGA' people are "causing climate change" by "refusing to seek forgiveness" for their "carbon sins".

My response to such tripe?? Point and laugh. Then I go on trusting in my LORD and Savior Jesus Christ, enjoying my life, while they go on trusting in Utopia, being scared and miserable all their life.

 

[gfm7175]

Today, 08:29 AM
DumberThanShit
retard
This message is hidden because Joe Censorship screams "I'M DROWNING, I'M DROWNING!" in the splash pool.

 

[QP!]

No, they'll grow more expensive as the use of the materials they're made of increase. Lithium, nickel, copper, are all going to go up, not down in price. This is particularly true in Western nations where greentard movements on the Left fight tooth and nail to stop all mining and resource extraction. The same goes for electrical power. If wind and solar continue to increase in share of the market, expect electricity prices to triple, possibly quadruple.

And yet i have posted to you MANY TIMES that rare earth materials are not seen as the future as the tech progresses.

But once again you assume the tech today will never evolve and improve, something that has never happened in other major to mass commercialization in other areas.

You have no arguments if you do not pretend that everything E related is stuck with todays technology, costs and scalability. All stupid assumptions to make based on our past in other areas.

 

[QP!]

So? What's your point?



The air is far cleaner today than it was 50 years ago. I'm willing to trade some pollution for a modern society and its conveniences.

Are you that daft, really?


You argue because EV's need infrastructure and other stuff not all readily available and some of which will come from gov't that somehow that is wrong and EV's are being forced.

You act as if ICE vehicles needed no such thing and adoption was just natural and this free market thing.

ICE vehicles required and got massive subsidies and help in terms of gov'ts (Cities, State, National) creating a network of interconnected road systems on the taxpayers back.

So if that is ok and fair for the gov't to do with ICE... to provide that required infrastructure so the technology can move from fringe to mainstream, ten why is it wrong for the gov't to provide other infrastructure and things for EV's?

As always your arguments come down to 'subsidies ok for things i support and like ... wrong for anything i do not'

 

[QP!]

Two-thirds of Americans have repeatedly stated they wouldn't buy one. Where's the so-called "popularity?"

At the early stage of the ICE vehicles, before paved interconnected roads, and when horse and buggy still dominated do you think a poll that would have said '2/3rds of people do not see owning a car as pragmatic or a desire' would have much meaning?

Once again you revert to the same flawed and stupid logic, that we need to judge it by the tech and infrastructure as it exists today at the front of the edge of the mass commercialization.

Terry how many homes do you think wanted a personal computer and would have bought one at the front edge of the PC tech?

Are you CAPABLE of understanding that tech always improves as it moves from fringe to mass commercialization. That is the history we have on our planet thus far.

 

[gfm7175]

Electric Vehicles are better than gas cars in so many ways

Acceleration. That's about it.

and car buyers are starting to appreciate the difference.
Lower maintenance. Cheaper to run. Better performance.

All dishonest sales pitches.

Yakuda will be purchasing an EV soon. Very soon.

As far as I can tell, it sounds like Yakuda doesn't have even the slightest bit of interest in purchasing an EV.

EVs Offer Big Savings Over Traditional Gas-Powered Cars
A CR study shows that total ownership cost savings can more than make up for an electric vehicle's typically higher purchase price

When it comes to buying an electric vehicle, many consumers might like the idea, but they sometimes balk at the purchase price, which is typically higher than that of an equivalent gasoline-powered vehicle. However, new research from Consumer Reports shows that when total ownership cost is considered—including such factors as purchase price, fueling costs, and maintenance expenses—EVs come out ahead, especially in more affordable segments. (Download a PDF of the fact sheet and the complete report.)

The savings advantage can be compelling in the first few years and continues to improve the longer you own the EV. Our study shows that fuel savings alone can be $4,700 or more over the first seven years.

When comparing vehicles of similar size and from the same segment, an EV can cost anywhere from 10 percent to over 40 percent more than a similar gasoline-only model, according to CR's analysis. The typical total ownership savings over the life of most EVs ranges from $6,000 to $10,000, CR found.

Parroting a shitty CR study is being intellectually lazy.

**EVs are more expensive to purchase up front, and require government subsidies (socialism) in order to make them even remotely sort-of-not-really competitive in price, until lithium and cobalt quickly become harder and more expensive to obtain, thus further increasing the price of EVs.
** EVs require specialized service (IOW dealerships), making overall maintenance more expensive.
** EVs require an electrician to install a home charger in order to allow the car to be refueled at a usable rate for a bit more than a short inner city trip or two per day, which is not cheap to have done.
** EVs require a large heavy battery pack to operate, and those things aren't cheap to replace, so the EV will (practically speaking) only last as long as the battery pack does, which is a much shorter lifespan than an ICE.

 

[gfm7175]

**ignores ITN's response to him/her**

So EVs DO have oil in the motors and gear train?

Unlike gasoline cars, Tesla vehicles require no traditional oil changes, fuel filters, spark plug replacements or emission checks. Even brake pad replacements are rare because regenerative braking returns energy to the battery, significantly reducing wear on the brakes.

"Regenerative braking" doesn't return material back to the brake pads. A heavier vehicle will wear the material out faster, meaning more frequent brake pad changes, meaning an increase to maintenance expense.

Electric cars use completely different drivetrains, so you will never have to worry about routine oil changes that are necessary for traditional cars. Though your electric car does not need oil, it requires a routine check on these 3 fluids in EVs; coolant, brake fluid, and windshield washing fluid.

"EV's don't need oil, but they need oil".

 

[Into the Night]

Unlike gasoline cars, Tesla vehicles require no traditional oil changes, fuel filters, spark plug replacements or emission checks.

Modern gasoline cars don't require fuel filter changes, spark plug replacement, or emissions checks. Oil changes require a mere half hour out your year. Meh.

Even brake pad replacements are rare because regenerative braking returns energy to the battery, significantly reducing wear on the brakes.

Not good enough. Tesla has a recall on their brakes because of the extra wear caused by stopping the heavy car. EVs also suck at maneuverability because of their weight.

Electric cars use completely different drivetrains, so you will never have to worry about routine oil changes that are necessary for traditional cars.

So you just can't stand taking a half an hour out of year to maintain your car. You would rather take hours and hours (days?) out of your year charging your car and worrying about finding a place to charge it.

Though your electric car does not need oil,

Yes it does.

it requires a routine check on these 3 fluids in EVs;

Not a routine check.

coolant,

Not a routine check.

brake fluid, and windshield washing fluid.

They are, but most drivers don't check them.

 

[Into the Night]

Electric cars are almost ready, it would seem.

They are ready. People are driving them.

Charging issues must still be resolved, though.

Not possible. Physics, you see. ALL batteries have internal resistance. Charging (and discharging) means moving ions, which are considerably more difficult than moving electrons. This limits maximum charging (and discharging) rate. Charging at too high a rate sets the battery on fire. This is particularly a problem with lithium.

It also remains to be seen if charging stations suddenly pop up as quickly
as cell phone towers did a generation or so ago.

The ones that ARE popping up is done largely by mandates (fascism).

And they have to get rid of those head restraints so gentlemen can wear a proper hat.

Remove them. Did you know they are removable?

Of course, you lose the protection they provide.

Probably better to take off your hat when you drive.

 

[Into the Night]

And yet i have posted to you MANY TIMES that rare earth materials are not seen as the future as the tech progresses.

But once again you assume the tech today will never evolve and improve, something that has never happened in other major to mass commercialization in other areas.

You have no arguments if you do not pretend that everything E related is stuck with todays technology, costs and scalability. All stupid assumptions to make based on our past in other areas.

Void argument fallacy (no conclusion). Novelty fallacy. Newer isn't necessarily better.

 

[Into the Night]

Are you that daft, really?

You are describing yourself again.

You argue because EV's need infrastructure and other stuff not all readily available and some of which will come from gov't that somehow that is wrong and EV's are being forced.

It is wrong. It is fascism and communism. They never work. Theft is not a 'solution', and there is no problem to solve.

You act as if ICE vehicles needed no such thing and adoption was just natural and this free market thing.

Gasoline cars needed no such thing.
Adoption was natural.
I already know you reject capitalism.

ICE vehicles required and got massive subsidies and help in terms of gov'ts (Cities, State, National) creating a network of interconnected road systems on the taxpayers back.

Strawman fallacy. EVs require the same roads. Indeed, EVs are TERRIBLE off-road vehicles, while gasoline and diesel engines perform very well off-road.

So if that is ok and fair for the gov't to do with ICE... to provide that required infrastructure so the technology can move from fringe to mainstream, ten why is it wrong for the gov't to provide other infrastructure and things for EV's?

Fascism and communism doesn't work.

As always your arguments come down to 'subsidies ok for things i support and like ... wrong for anything i do not'

As typical, you use strawmen and ignore the use of roads by EVs.

 

[Into the Night]

At the early stage of the ICE vehicles, before paved interconnected roads, and when horse and buggy still dominated do you think a poll that would have said '2/3rds of people do not see owning a car as pragmatic or a desire' would have much meaning?

Polls are completely meaningless.
Gasoline cars WERE popular before paved interconnected roads.

Once again you revert to the same flawed and stupid logic, that we need to judge it by the tech and infrastructure as it exists today at the front of the edge of the mass commercialization.

The mass commercialization of gasoline cars occurred BEFORE interconnected paved roads.

Terry how many homes do you think wanted a personal computer and would have bought one at the front edge of the PC tech?

Quite a few. It made the industry what it is today.

Wow. I haven't seen one of these pieces of shit in a LONG time. Fortunately, most personal computers were MUCH better than this garbage.

Are you CAPABLE of understanding that tech always improves as it moves from fringe to mass commercialization. That is the history we have on our planet thus far.

Novelty fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Acceleration. That's about it.


All dishonest sales pitches.


As far as I can tell, it sounds like Yakuda doesn't have even the slightest bit of interest in purchasing an EV.


Parroting a shitty CR study is being intellectually lazy.

**EVs are more expensive to purchase up front, and require government subsidies (socialism) in order to make them even remotely sort-of-not-really competitive in price, until lithium and cobalt quickly become harder and more expensive to obtain, thus further increasing the price of EVs.
** EVs require specialized service (IOW dealerships), making overall maintenance more expensive.
** EVs require an electrician to install a home charger in order to allow the car to be refueled at a usable rate for a bit more than a short inner city trip or two per day, which is not cheap to have done.
** EVs require a large heavy battery pack to operate, and those things aren't cheap to replace, so the EV will (practically speaking) only last as long as the battery pack does, which is a much shorter lifespan than an ICE.

That heavy battery pack means poorer maneuverability, and poorer braking capability (Tesla has a couple of recalls out on brakes!). The tires wear faster too, due to weight on them. They are specially built tires to handle that weight too, making THEM more expensive.

 

[Lionfish]

PEOPLE WHO PURCHASE GAS-POWERED CARS: ‘SORT OF LIKE BUILDING A HORSE BARN IN 1910’

https://apple.news/AJEBFK1xYRkqFj-Us9kwNoQ

The CEO of the fast-growing electric vehicle company Rivian Automotive has shared some strong statements about purchasing a car with an internal-combustion engine (ICE).
In conversation with Robinson Meyer of Heatmap, Rivian CEO R.J. Scaringe suggested that those buying an ICE vehicle would be ignoring the progress being made in the EV space and would soon experience regret for their decision.*
“I think the reality of buying a combustion-powered vehicle … is sort of like building a horse barn in 1910,” he said. “Imagine buying a Chevy Suburban in 2030 … what are you going to do with that … in 10 years?”
“Gas stations will be slowly disappearing,” he added. “It’s just weird.”
With shifts in consumer attitudes, positive policy decisions regarding EVs worldwide, and improved drivability, Scaringe told Heatmap that the increased interest and uptake in EVs is “awesome to see.”*
“If you’d told me just a few years ago,” Scaringe went on, “that Europe would be committing to 100% of new vehicles being electric … that California would be making that commitment in the same way, that the United States, through EPA regulations, is going to be 60% EV of new sales by 2030, I don’t think I would have believed it.”

Poor MAGA. They're running out of Depends.

Joey wet panties,
Pepole build horse barns every day.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this year after a record-breaking 2022

https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022

Global sales of electric cars are set to surge to yet another record this year, expanding their share of the overall car market to close to one-fifth and leading a major transformation of the auto industry that has implications for the energy sector, especially oil.

The new edition of the IEA’s annual Global Electric Vehicle Outlook shows that more than 10 million electric cars were sold worldwide in 2022 and that sales are expected to grow by another 35% this year to reach 14 million. This explosive growth means electric cars’ share of the overall car market has risen from around 4% in 2020 to 14% in 2022 and is set to increase further to 18% this year, based on the latest IEA projections.

“Electric vehicles are one of the driving forces in the new global energy economy that is rapidly emerging – and they are bringing about a historic transformation of the car manufacturing industry worldwide,” said IEA Executive Director Fatih Birol. “The trends we are witnessing have significant implications for global oil demand. The internal combustion engine has gone unrivalled for over a century, but electric vehicles are changing the status quo. By 2030, they will avoid the need for at least 5 million barrels a day of oil. Cars are just the first wave: electric buses and trucks will follow soon.”

 

[gfm7175]

Joey wet panties,
Pepole build horse barns every day.

Joe Bigot only knows the city life, completely oblivious to the fact that horses are still used today for sport, leisure, transportation, and even work.

 

[gfm7175]

Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this year after a record-breaking 2022

https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022

Global sales of electric cars are set to surge to yet another record this year, expanding their share of the overall car market to close to one-fifth and leading a major transformation of the auto industry that has implications for the energy sector, especially oil.

The new edition of the IEA’s annual Global Electric Vehicle Outlook shows that more than 10 million electric cars were sold worldwide in 2022 and that sales are expected to grow by another 35% this year to reach 14 million. This explosive growth means electric cars’ share of the overall car market has risen from around 4% in 2020 to 14% in 2022 and is set to increase further to 18% this year, based on the latest IEA projections.

“Electric vehicles are one of the driving forces in the new global energy economy that is rapidly emerging – and they are bringing about a historic transformation of the car manufacturing industry worldwide,” said IEA Executive Director Fatih Birol. “The trends we are witnessing have significant implications for global oil demand. The internal combustion engine has gone unrivalled for over a century, but electric vehicles are changing the status quo. By 2030, they will avoid the need for at least 5 million barrels a day of oil. Cars are just the first wave: electric buses and trucks will follow soon.”

Keep on preachin' that sermon!

And people try to tell me that "green" isn't a religion... hahahahahaha

 

[Grokmaster]

PEOPLE WHO PURCHASE GAS-POWERED CARS: ‘SORT OF LIKE BUILDING A HORSE BARN IN 1910’

https://apple.news/AJEBFK1xYRkqFj-Us9kwNoQ

The CEO of the fast-growing electric vehicle company Rivian Automotive has shared some strong statements about purchasing a car with an internal-combustion engine (ICE).
In conversation with Robinson Meyer of Heatmap, Rivian CEO R.J. Scaringe suggested that those buying an ICE vehicle would be ignoring the progress being made in the EV space and would soon experience regret for their decision.*
“I think the reality of buying a combustion-powered vehicle … is sort of like building a horse barn in 1910,” he said. “Imagine buying a Chevy Suburban in 2030 … what are you going to do with that … in 10 years?”
“Gas stations will be slowly disappearing,” he added. “It’s just weird.”
With shifts in consumer attitudes, positive policy decisions regarding EVs worldwide, and improved drivability, Scaringe told Heatmap that the increased interest and uptake in EVs is “awesome to see.”*
“If you’d told me just a few years ago,” Scaringe went on, “that Europe would be committing to 100% of new vehicles being electric … that California would be making that commitment in the same way, that the United States, through EPA regulations, is going to be 60% EV of new sales by 2030, I don’t think I would have believed it.”

Poor MAGA. They're running out of Depends.

How idiotic.

 

[Lionfish]

Joe Bigot only knows the city life, completely oblivious to the fact that horses are still used today for sport, leisure, transportation, and even work.

Nopt just horses Barns are very useful for a number of reasons.