Philosphy, free will, and the absence of Religious authority

Types of democracy include:
Anticipatory democracy – relies on some degree of disciplined and usually market-informed anticipation of the future, to guide major decisions.
Associationalism, or Associative Democracy – emphasis on freedom via voluntary and democratically self-governing associations.
Adversialism, or Adversial Democracy – with an emphasis on freedom based on adversial relationships between individuals and groups as best expressed in democratic judicial systems.
Bourgeois democracy – Some Marxists, Communists, Socialists and Left-wing anarchists refer to liberal democracy as bourgeois democracy, alleging that ultimately politicians fight only for the rights of the bourgeoisie.
Consensus democracy – rule based on consensus rather than traditional majority rule.
Constitutional democracy – governed by a constitution.
Delegative democracy – a form of democratic control whereby voting power is vested in self-selected delegates, rather than elected representatives.
Deliberative democracy – in which authentic deliberation, not only voting, is central to legitimate decision making. It adopts elements of both consensus decision-making and majority rule.
Democratic centralism – organizational method where members of a political party discuss and debate matters of policy and direction and after the decision is made by majority vote, all members are expected to follow that decision in public.
Democratic dictatorship (also known as democratur)
Democratic republic – republic which has democracy through elected representatives
Democratic socialism – a form of socialism ideologically opposed to the Marxist–Leninist styles that have become synonymous with socialism; democratic socialists place an emphasis on decentralized governance in political democracy with social ownership of the means of production and social and economic institutions with workers' self-management.
Economic democracy – theory of democracy involving people having access to subsistence, or equity in living standards.
Grassroots democracy – emphasizes trust in small decentralized units at the municipal government level, possibly using urban secession to establish the formal legal authority to make decisions made at this local level binding.
Guided democracy – is a form of democratic government with increased autocracy where citizens exercise their political rights without meaningfully affecting the government's policies, motives, and goals.
Interactive democracy – proposed form of democracy utilising information technology to allow citizens to propose new policies, "second" proposals and vote on the resulting laws (that are refined by Parliament) in a referendum.
Jeffersonian democracy – named after American statesman Thomas Jefferson, who believed in equality of political opportunity (for male citizens), and opposed to privilege, aristocracy and corruption.
Market democracy – another name for democratic capitalism, an economic ideology based on a tripartite arrangement of a market-based economy based predominantly on economic incentives through free markets, a democratic polity and a liberal moral-cultural system which encourages pluralism.
Multiparty democracy – two-party system requires voters to align themselves in large blocs, sometimes so large that they cannot agree on any overarching principles.
New Democracy – Maoist concept based on Mao Zedong's "Bloc of Four Classes" theory in post-revolutionary China.
Participatory democracy – involves more lay citizen participation in decision making and offers greater political representation than traditional representative democracy, e.g., wider control of proxies given to representatives by those who get directly involved and actually participate.
People's democracy – multi-class rule in which the proletariat dominates.
Radical democracy – type of democracy that focuses on the importance of nurturing and tolerating difference and dissent in decision-making processes.
Revolutionary democracy – ideology of the Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front
Semi-direct democracy – representative democracy with instruments, elements, and/or features of direct democracy.
Sociocracy – democratic system of governance based on consent decision making, circle organization, and double-linked representation.
 
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic


republic noun

re·pub·lic | \ ri-ˈpə-blik


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Definition of republic
1
a
(1)
: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
(2)
: a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
b
(1)
: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law
(2)
: a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
c
: a usually specified republican government of a political unit
the French Fourth Republic
 
I appreciate the civilized decorum of our exchange on this thread.

I do not ever recall meeting a liberal who wanted this nation to have direct democratic rule by citizen participation.

I do think progressives ever seek to make representative democratic government more accountable to the governed (electing senators on the basis of popular vote, removing Jim Crow obstacles to voting, women's suffrage, getting rid of dark money in politics, et al).

Finally, leaving with Socrates, Professor Robinson was very explicit in stating that you cannot view the Socratic dialogues and Plato's writing in a vacuum, outside the context of history. They were living in a time when Athens had suffered a catastrophic defeat at the hands of Sparta, and in that context it was natural for many Athenians to wonder and consider if perhaps Sparta was doing some things better than Athens, and if the best of Sparta should thus be emulated.

You are "right on", Cypress.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with representative democracy (as opposed to direct democratic rule)...

...PROVIDING THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES ARE ABLE AND WILLING TO RULE...TO GOVERN.

Right now the Republican Party has shown itself unwilling (and functionally, unable) to govern.

The Republican Party has more control of government right now than any party has ever had control during my 82 years. And in a political environment as defined and separated as ever I've seen.

But they cannot get anything done. They step all over themselves...dig huge holes for themselves...paint themselves into corners. With almost total control of government in EVERY sphere...national, state, even local...all they do is cry that a pathetically small minority is thwarting their efforts.

THEY ARE THWARTING THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF MASSIVE INCOMPETENCE.

We need a governing body that works effectively to govern...with potential excesses held in check by what commonly is known as "the loyal opposition."

The Republican Party seems to function adequately as the latter...with almost no aptitude for the former.

The implications are clear...except to the sheep continuing to perpetuate what is going on right now.
 
You are "right on", Cypress.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with representative democracy (as opposed to direct democratic rule)...

...PROVIDING THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES ARE ABLE AND WILLING TO RULE...TO GOVERN.

Right now the Republican Party has shown itself unwilling (and functionally, unable) to govern.

The Republican Party has more control of government right now than any party has ever had control during my 82 years. And in a political environment as defined and separated as ever I've seen.

But they cannot get anything done. They step all over themselves...dig huge holes for themselves...paint themselves into corners. With almost total control of government in EVERY sphere...national, state, even local...all they do is cry that a pathetically small minority is thwarting their efforts.

THEY ARE THWARTING THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF MASSIVE INCOMPETENCE.

We need a governing body that works effectively to govern...with potential excesses held in check by what commonly is known as "the loyal opposition."

The Republican Party seems to function adequately as the latter...with almost no aptitude for the former.

The implications are clear...except to the sheep continuing to perpetuate what is going on right now.

they seek to destroy our union for Putins pleasure
 
A democratic republic...

...is, in essence, a logical, functional extension of a democracy. Democracies are unwieldy...and cannot realistically be asked to work when large numbers are involved.

Capitalism...in a sense...is merely an extension of serfdom....except that instead of a King at the head...there is a ruling class of people with most of the money.
 
the day republians started hating the word Democracy I knew there was foreign influence getting at them
 
A democratic republic...

...is, in essence, a logical, functional extension of a democracy. Democracies are unwieldy...and cannot realistically be asked to work when large numbers are involved.

Capitalism...in a sense...is merely an extension of serfdom....except that instead of a King at the head...there is a ruling class of people with most of the money.

you can not have real freedom without capitalism
 
you can not have real freedom without capitalism

A person alone on an island CAN have "real freedom" without capitalism, socialism, or any other kind of "ism."

The problem with "real freedom" is that it just does not work when there is more than one person...which is the reason I have such negative feelings about libertarianism.
 
A person alone on an island CAN have "real freedom" without capitalism, socialism, or any other kind of "ism."

The problem with "real freedom" is that it just does not work when there is more than one person...which is the reason I have such negative feelings about libertarianism.

Libertarians are a trip to talk to.
 
A person alone on an island CAN have "real freedom" without capitalism, socialism, or any other kind of "ism."

The problem with "real freedom" is that it just does not work when there is more than one person...which is the reason I have such negative feelings about libertarianism.

libertarianism was invented to get teen aged boys interested in policy


its whole economic gig is based on the short bus school of economics
 
capitalism has some self policing qualities


but without the proper fettering (regulations and laws) it soon eats its self evolving into a king making machine.


its NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH REGULATION

Its about the correct regulation given the surrounding circumstances of the current economy

libertarian idiots think its about the number of rules


Its about the quality and need for rules


they try to simplify it for stupid people to have something to chant to make them feel smart


silly crap lie "too many rules"

or

"too much taxes"



the whole thing crumbles once facts are discussed in detail
 
capitalism has some self policing qualities


but without the proper fettering (regulations and laws) it soon eats its self evolving into a king making machine.


its NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH REGULATION

Its about the correct regulation given the surrounding circumstances of the current economy

libertarian idiots think its about the number of rules


Its about the quality and need for rules


they try to simplify it for stupid people to have something to chant to make them feel smart


silly crap lie "too many rules"

or

"too much taxes"



the whole thing crumbles once facts are discussed in detail

Holy Crap! I agree with Evince!

The End must be near.
 
capitalism well regulated and fettered produces the only path to real freedom


It keeps the money from settling in one place


properly restrained it produces an atmosphere that allows the power of a better idea to emerge and rule the day
 
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