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Jarod said:
I dont want to take anyone's money, but If I have to, Id take it from those who worked hard for it last!
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Ok, so why were you calling the guy who flew the plane into the building "greedy"?

He worked for his money and tried to keep as much as he could.
 
WinterBorn said:
And the money that they are living off is also stimulating the economy. When you get a mortgage to buy a home, do you think the banks are loaning you the money of a bunch of middle class people with a huge debt? Or are you borrowing the money that is invested by rich people?
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Most of the time you will be borrowing money the bank created out of thin air.
 
WinterBorn said:
That is totally wrong.

Study after study has shown that either a flat tax or a consumption tax could provide what we need without ruining anyone.

The studies that showed otherwise were almost all funded or done by companies who stand to lose a fortune if the tax laws change.

One of the great things about either a flat tax or consumption tax is that the politicians could no longer use taxes to punish their enemies or reward their friends. There would be no more selective taxation. Everyone would pay the same.



And if I bust my ass, save my money, and build up a sizeable financial bundle, why in the hell do you think you have a right to a piece of that bundle? Why do you think that I should not be able to provide for my family with the fruits of my own labors and creativity?

And there are more examples of people starting from nothing and becoming rich in a free market than any other system. And this nonsense of a 56k page tax code is harmful to that system.
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And study after study has also shown that a flat tax is regressive and shifts the burden of taxation onto the middle and professional classes. You want to create an oligarchy of monied aristocrats in ths nation? Well a regressive flat tax is the best way to do it.
 
Onceler said:
Why the debate on whether this guy was "right" or "left"?

He was a nutcase. He flew a plane into a building.
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Because the diatribe he recorded reads like a bad transcript from the Rush Limbaugh show. It makes you wonder how much right wing talk radio helps push nut cases like this over the edge.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Another SPECTACULAR dodge from the always graceful Prima Dodgerina!

She's always got another fat joke at the ready, you'd think she could handle a simple question...BUT nooooooooooooooooooo!
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Every time you roll on in Zappy, well it's just too hard to pass up.

Call me weak. :cof1:
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Because the diatribe he recorded reads like a bad transcript from the Rush Limbaugh show. It makes you wonder how much right wing talk radio helps push nut cases like this over the edge.
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He rants against the insurance companies and the medical fields killing people and no one cares, while the politicians bail out there cronies. That is certainly closer to liberal ideology than conservative.

He rants about being held responsible for his mistakes while the gov't bails out corporations at the drop of a hat. That is certainly more liberal than conservative.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Because the diatribe he recorded reads like a bad transcript from the Rush Limbaugh show. It makes you wonder how much right wing talk radio helps push nut cases like this over the edge.
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Rush would never be as critical of his corporate paymasters. He would never criticize the big middlemen BPO firms dehumanizing their workforce through government cronies and favoritism in law.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
And study after study has also shown that a flat tax is regressive and shifts the burden of taxation onto the middle and professional classes. You want to create an oligarchy of monied aristocrats in ths nation? Well a regressive flat tax is the best way to do it.
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I am a big fan of the Fair Tax Act more than any flat tax system. That way people are rewarded for saving, encouraged to make things last or buy used items, and everyone pays the same percentage while no one pays any taxes on the basics necessary to live.

And we would save most of the billions spent on tax compliance.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Because the diatribe he recorded reads like a bad transcript from the Rush Limbaugh show. It makes you wonder how much right wing talk radio helps push nut cases like this over the edge.
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Congratulations Mott! You are living testimony to the fact that every right wing talk show host out there is saying about what the rabid left will turn this in to.

Take a bow. You win the Predictability medal!

It's gold, but make sure you don't bite it, k? :eek:

BRAVO! BRAVO!

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Mott the Hoople said:
Because the diatribe he recorded reads like a bad transcript from the Rush Limbaugh show. It makes you wonder how much right wing talk radio helps push nut cases like this over the edge.
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So true, I can't remember how many times I have heard Rush Limbaugh talk up communism.
 
WinterBorn said:
What is fair is to make everyone pay the same percentage of their income.

You say you don't want someone to not be able to share the fruits of their work with their families, but you want to tax them more for doing so? How the hell does that work?
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The problem is the definition of "income".

For example, capital gains. In the jurisdiction where I live 50% of capital gains is tax exempt. A wealthy person could buy a number of buildings with a minimum down payment and periodically sell one and pay 1/2 the tax on that "income" that a person working at a regular job earning the same amount of money would pay. (Although the housing market busted real estate was a winner for many, many years.)

Another thing is selling ones home. That's tax free. Why? Why should the person who can afford to buy their own home be allowed to take the profits tax-free when the poor renter gets the shaft? If all money coming in was classified as income it would be a different story.

People look for run down houses, move in, renovate them and then sell them at a profit. No tax. So, we have two carpenters. One goes to work every day for a company and pays payroll taxes. The other, because they have money, buy a run down house, fix it up, then sell. The house buyer pays no tax. Nothing. Even though he worked renovating his house and is being paid for his work through selling his house all his money is tax free. What is fair about that?

Then some people propose a consumption tax but no tax on income. Again, let's take two examples. Bill and John. Both work at the same company earning the same salary. Bill is single and saves $20,000. John has a family and spends that money supporting his family. Every time John buys something he is paying twice the amount of tax because Bill never paid any tax on his income and the government requires a certain amount of money to operate. The roads have to be fixed but Bill hasn't paid any money towards road maintenance so the consumption tax John pays has to cover his share and Bill's share.

Years pass and Bill's $20,000 has grown due to receiving interest plus the other money he has saved and the interest on that. There will come a point where Bill's nest egg will produce a decent enough return to retire on. Then he starts to pay taxes as he uses that money. John can't retire because he paid taxes all those years while Bill's money collected interest. In other words John loaned Bill the equivalent of the taxes every year, at no interest, while Bill's money grew. Is that fair?

The only fair way is to tax all monies received at the time they're received. That way everyone pays their fair share of government costs.



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WinterBorn said:
What is fair is to make everyone pay the same percentage of their income.

You say you don't want someone to not be able to share the fruits of their work with their families, but you want to tax them more for doing so? How the hell does that work?

And the money that they are living off is also stimulating the economy. When you get a mortgage to buy a home, do you think the banks are loaning you the money of a bunch of middle class people with a huge debt? Or are you borrowing the money that is invested by rich people?



The whole idea of fair is that everyone is treated the same.
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WinterBorn said:
What is fair is to make everyone pay the same percentage of their income.

You say you don't want someone to not be able to share the fruits of their work with their families, but you want to tax them more for doing so? How the hell does that work?

And the money that they are living off is also stimulating the economy. When you get a mortgage to buy a home, do you think the banks are loaning you the money of a bunch of middle class people with a huge debt? Or are you borrowing the money that is invested by rich people?



The whole idea of fair is that everyone is treated the same.
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And We the People complain about how the wealthy get more tax breaks and have more avenues of financial opportunity, we get told over and over day in and day out that no matter how wrong it may be...the bottom line is that LIFE IS UNFAIR...and that people need to move beyond that SIMPLE FACT and GET OVER IT.

You want life to be fair? Then let's start by making life fair for the poorest with the most to lose before we worry about some trust fund baby whining because she can't buy the new Bentley until next year because her taxes are too high.
 
Hell, when I want food from McDonalds they make me pay...


WAAAAA....! I worked hard for that money, I dont want to have to pay for food!
 
Jarod said:
It is likely not too late, Tax law generally has a 7 year SOL, but professional negligance may be much shorter. You should consult both a lawyer and a CPA. My brother is a CPA and he often is able to negotiate these fees down signifigantly or have them waived.

I have a good friend who was in a very simular situation and with a couple letters my brother was able to get the penalty and interest waived.
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I'm not one to throw good money after bad. They can keep what they stole and rot in hell for eternity.
 
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