Pope Francis asks forgiveness for priests who sexually abused children

That's your take. Mine is that they drove the Islamists back to the middle east after their attempt to infiltrate and destroy.
 
Threedee said:
As much damage as these priests and their negligent bishops have done - I'm not much in the mood for forgiveness. As averse as I naturally am to forgiveness, it's a lucky thing I am Catholic, for my sake. In addition to all of this, I have now known one priest who was wrongly accused. The archdiocese did nothing to help him, and when he had gotten law enforcement to investigate and clear him, his embarrassed superiors got him recalled to Rome and then retired. He can thank this mess for his misfortune.
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I'm not naturally averse to forgiveness but it's only the first step. As long as these offenders aren't punished for their crimes, the Church is just paying lip service to the problem. It's sad that your priest acquaintance was wrongly accused. Why was he recalled to Rome and retired? It's not like there are too many priests to go around. Way fewer numbers of men are entering and parishes are closing because of the lack.

I understand that in the past these offenses were considered illness, not crime, and that's why priests weren't prosecuted. That line of thinking wasn't particular to the priesthood either but to most professions. Cognitive and/or behavioural therapy was the standard treatment to eliminate pedophilia. We know now they don't work.

The Church needs to find a better way of weeding out potential abusers before they're ordained, to stop covering up for those they know are abusers, and to make sure confirmed abusers are punished to the fullest extent.
 
Rune said:
You are a horrible person.
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He's an arrogant, stone-cold sociopath who's incapable of empathy. Let's hope nobody in his family ever gets depressed and commits suicide. He'll be a laugh riot at the wake when he preaches to the family about their failure.
 
christiefan915 said:
He's an arrogant, stone-cold sociopath who's incapable of empathy. Let's hope nobody in his family ever gets depressed and commits suicide. He'll be a laugh riot at the wake when he preaches to the family about their failure.
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There's never been a suicide in my family. We all tend to be blunt and take personal responsibility. Some self-destructive shit on the liberal wing, like tats and piercings, but not much else...
 
Right said:
That's your take. Mine is that they drove the Islamists back to the middle east after their attempt to infiltrate and destroy.
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'Islamists'? That's anachronistic, surely? The key question here concerns celibacy and its results, which seem, almost universally, to be child abuse. This, let's recall, has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with papal power over people, particularly priests. I'd have thought that blackmail about - say - their drunkenness would have worked better than an unspoken power to bugger little boys!
 
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About ten years ago I went to a service for a kid who off'd himself. I was friends with some of his older acquaintances. It was very enlightening, they presented some of the "dark art" that the kid had done over the years, and the father lamented that he should have seen that as a clue that his son had a problem. He acknowledged that he had been preoccupied with his career, and of course the divorce, and he shoulda coulda. He took complete responsibility and warned all of us to be better parents than he had been.
 
Right said:
About ten years ago I went to a service for a kid who off'd himself. I was friends with some of his older acquaintances. It was very enlightening, they presented some of the "dark art" that the kid had done over the years, and the father lamented that he should have seen that as a clue that his son had a problem. He acknowledged that he had been preoccupied with his career, and of course the divorce, and he shoulda coulda. He took complete responsibility and warned all of us to be better parents than he had been.
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Hindsight is 20-20 Mr. ENLIGHTENTMENT.
 
iolo said:
'Islamists'? That's anachronistic, surely? The key question here concerns celibacy and its results, which seems, almost universally, to be child abuse. This, let's recall, has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with papal power over people particularly priests. I'd have thought that blackmail about - say - their drunkenness would have worked better than an unspoken power to bugger little boys!
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now that I think about it, that does explain a lot about DY. That sort of priestly behavior has obviously been going on for a long time.
 
Right said:
My Savior teaches me to seek the truth, and that true compassion very often means being blunt.

Rana herself blamed the priest for the suicide, and by extension, The Church. Your ilk demonizes The Church in this sordid affair at every chance, when the real problem is individual homosexuals, homosexual pedophiles, their enablers, and some leadership in The Church that refuses to acknowledge the truth.
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Idiot! The real problem was the monster who raped the child, and ignorant paishioners such as yourself who make excuses instead of demanding consequences. You are more culpable than Rana ever will be.
 
Right said:
There's never been a suicide in my family. We all tend to be blunt and take personal responsibility. Some self-destructive shit on the liberal wing, like tats and piercings, but not much else...
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Tell your bestie usf that tats are self-destructive. I live for the moment.
 
Mike Oxawopper said:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/11/world/europe/vatican-pope-sex-abuse/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

I was raised Catholic. I attended Catholic School. I escaped with my starfish intact. Some of my classmates weren't so lucky. My former 7th grade teacher who ultimately became principal preyed upon young Asian boys. The Archdiocese of Seattle settled a multimillion dollar lawsuit recently on this. Oddly enough he was not a priest.

But I saw things that now give me pause.

It is refreshing to see this happen. But the hypocrisy of it all leaves a stench that will never clear. The Catholic church's admission and new posture may help future generations, but their old sins cast long shadows.

When numerous US Archdioceses filed bankruptcy to avoid paying settlements to victims, I was livid. Still am. It is unconscionable. I want their tax exempt status revoked or suspended at least until such time those victims are properly compensated.

I'd prefer it be permanent.
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I say punish the perpetrators and move on. Why go after the whole organization? Should we nuke all Muslims because of a few terrorists?
 
christiefan915 said:
Would it be better if he did what so many others have done for decades, ignore the topic? Of course it's a day late and a dollar short but at least he's making a start with reforming Vatican corruption.
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Taking actual actions and forget the self serving chatter. He has the character to he doing this as you point out. Dont why he decided to do this sounds like more if the half measures his predecessors took.
 
Granule said:
I say punish the perpetrators and move on. Why go after the whole organization? Should we nuke all Muslims because of a few terrorists?
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The organisation was complicit in shielding the criminals from justice. Unless you mean all involved to be perpetrators of course. Anyone who aided or abetted whould have been handed over for prosecution. But that will involve Vatican people.
 
Granule said:
I say punish the perpetrators and move on. Why go after the whole organization? Should we nuke all Muslims because of a few terrorists?
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If only it were that simple. The bigger part of the problem was the hierarchy of the church and how they handled these monsters within their ranks. Quite often instead of turning the monsters in after hearing of their crimes, they simply moved them to the hinterlands where they continued to rape and pillage again elsewhere.

Then when faced with monetary damages from lawsuits that followed, the respective archdioceses often filed bankruptcy to avoid paying the claims.

So no, just prosecuting the perps isn't nearly enough. The church itself is complicit.
 
Right said:
My Savior teaches me to seek the truth, and that true compassion very often means being blunt..
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Perhaps if look elsewhere you might actually find some facts to back up your assertions.

Right said:
when the real problem is individual homosexuals, homosexual pedophiles, their enablers, and some leadership in The Church that refuses to acknowledge the truth.
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Here is a prime example of how misinformed you are. You lump all pedophiles with all homosexuals. Notice you assume that pedophiles are all homosexual. That's patently false and has been debunked by many independent credible studies. Typical right wing nonsense stemming from the refusal to let facts guide them, rather than the twisted interpretations of a book of fairy tales.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
 
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