President Obama Reached Out To Republicans, And Was Rebuffed

PoliTalker said:
Hello T. A. Gardner,



President Obama apologized for that.
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Yea, like that made it all better. There are some whopper of a lies that can't be made right by apology. That's one of them. Obama lied his ass off for months.

And truth be told, there actually was a part of the law that grandfathered in old plans, so if you personally had a plan in place directly with an insurance company before the cut-off date, you could keep that plan. The problem was that most people get their insurance from their employer. Thus, most people don't really have any choice over what plan they have, because those decisions are made by their employer. Workers are in a take-it-or-leave-it situation, just as they were before the PPACA. If employers go with a new plan, which they have to do for any new hires who were not covered under a previous grandfathered-in plan, then all the workers have to accept that.

That forced a lot of people to accept new health plans after President Obama told them they could keep their old plans. That was unforeseen, and Obama apologized for it. He did not realize that was going to happen when he was telling everybody they could keep their plan. He told what he believed was the truth. It was a promise he made, but was unable to fulfill. It was a mistake. He felt badly about it and he apologized for it.

“I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me,” Obama said. “We’ve got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them and that we’re going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this.”

FactCheck: Keeping Your Health Plan
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You could only keep your current plan if it stayed exactly the same as it was when Obamacare passed. Any changes to it, service or price, and it became null and void and you were forced onto Obamacare. It essentially made it impossible for you to stay on your old plan. Obama got blindsided by it because he had no clue what was written in the actual bill any more than Pelosi did (remember her "We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it..." statement?). Obama and the Democrats pushed through a crappy piece of legislation on a party line vote. It is possibly the best example ever in US history of why government is best when power is divided.

Obamacare was and is an unmitigated disaster as a piece of legislation.
 
Yakuda said:
So this is your excuse to behave like assholes? Instead you have decided Burn Loot and Murder is a better strategy. Good luck with that shit head.
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So you decided to act like an asshole instead of giving a proper reply? You are one of the reasons why the GOP will disappear eventually.
 
AProudLefty said:
So you decided to act like an asshole instead of giving a proper reply? You are one of the reasons why the GOP will disappear eventually.
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Well first of all I am old enough to remember that people just like you told me 40 years ago that the GOP would be gone by now but here we are. So do is a favor and save us that bullshit please.

I'll tell you what I'm going to be nice to you and attempt to engage in a sensible conversation with you and we can see what happens. So tell me the point of this thread.
 
Yakuda said:
Well first of all I am old enough to remember that people just like you told me 40 years ago that the GOP would be gone by now but here we are. So do is a favor and save us that bullshit please.

I'll tell you what I'm going to be nice to you and attempt to engage in a sensible conversation with you and we can see what happens. So tell me the point of this thread.
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Really? You cannot see the point? See that is one of the reasons why the GOP is dying.
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

T. A. Gardner said:
Yea, like that made it all better. There are some whopper of a lies that can't be made right by apology. That's one of them. Obama lied his ass off for months.



You could only keep your current plan if it stayed exactly the same as it was when Obamacare passed. Any changes to it, service or price, and it became null and void and you were forced onto Obamacare. It essentially made it impossible for you to stay on your old plan. Obama got blindsided by it because he had no clue what was written in the actual bill any more than Pelosi did (remember her "We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it..." statement?). Obama and the Democrats pushed through a crappy piece of legislation on a party line vote. It is possibly the best example ever in US history of why government is best when power is divided.

Obamacare was and is an unmitigated disaster as a piece of legislation.
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Well that was the rub:

From my link, showing why Obama believed what he was saying:

"Grandfathered health plans do not have to meet all of the law’s new coverage requirements. But in order to be grandfathered, health plans must have existed on March 23, 2010. Those with individual grandfathered plans had to have them before the law took effect. And to maintain their grandfathered status, the plans must not be changed to cut benefits or significantly raise prices for consumers through deductibles or co-pays."

Most people did not meet the requirements to keep their existing plan, so the grandfathering of existing plans was a toothless tiger which bit Obama in the posterior.

Nobody said apologizing makes it all better.

But it was the right thing to do.

If you had no health coverage because you couldn't afford it and your employer didn't offer it, or offered nothing you could afford, and you got health coverage because of the Affordable Care Act, then you think the law was a good thing.

If you couldn't get health coverage at any price because of a preexisting condition, and you were able to get coverage with Obamacare, then you think the law was a God-send.

If you still don't like Obamacare, you are now in the deep minority:

New poll: Obamacare approval - 54%, Disapprove - 31%.
 
AProudLefty said:
Really? You cannot see the point? See that is one of the reasons why the GOP is dying.
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I want you to tell me what the point is. If you can't engage in a conversation that's fine I have no problem being an asshole with you but the choice is yours. Will you engage or not? This is why we have the kind of discussions we do on this site.
 
Hello StoneByStone,

StoneByStone said:
But you wanted to.
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Actually I was in a conversation with a conservative who thought Obama was all, like 'I got a pen and a phone' the whole time, right from the start. It made me realize that there were probably a lot of people on the right and on the left who perhaps did not recall that Obama actually reached out to Republicans, wanted to include them. His big goal was to get health care reform. He got what could, of course, and because of Republican opposition, it took everything he had. That's not the way he wanted to do it. He wanted to include Republicans and get something that made sense for everybody. That's why he didn't simply draft legislation and then try to sell it. OK, now hold back your laughter, he actually wanted Congress to function the way it was designed; and work out whatever compromises could be arrived at, and come up with a universal health care system that took care of everybody, and did it at the best price possible. He envisioned Democrats and Republicans working together to do that.

-Pause for effect.-

Yes, he was a dreamer.

What really happened, of course, after he tried to start things off congenially, he didn't know that the Republicans had met in a bar and decided to never cooperate with Obama on anything, period. Even if they might have liked it, it didn't matter. The agreement was they always say no. I know. It's totally dumb. Basically, they are refusing to do their jobs.

They're just not saying it like that. They couldn't say that in public.

So they pretended to go along with the Democrats. They had months of committee meetings. They worked out all kinds of details. The Republicans had a lot of input. Democrats THOUGHT Republicans were negotiating. What was really happening was Republicans were simply wasting time, tying the whole thing up, foot-dragging. In the end, despite all the stuff Republicans had asked for and gotten in the bill, none of them voted for it. They never had any intention of voting for it. They were just pretending to be open to ideas. They had one idea - no. They could not be a part of doing something for America, if it happened under a Democratic President.

That's basically what it was.

Ugly partisanship.

How sad.

And bad for America.
 
The day Obama was being inaugurated, the Repub leaders had a meeting . They came out and announced they would fight every single think Obama wanted. Moscow Mitch said his job was to make Obama a one term president. The Reds never cooperated ,not a scintilla. That is not how they operate. The problem is Biden does.
 
Why would Republicans decide to actually work against the American people?

Well, I guess if your PR propaganda is slick enough you can fool some of the people all the time.
 
Nordberg said:
The day Obama was being inaugurated, the Repub leaders had a meeting . They came out and announced they would fight every single think Obama wanted. Moscow Mitch said his job was to make Obama a one term president. The Reds never cooperated ,not a scintilla. That is not how they operate. The problem is Biden does.
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Except .... Obama tripled my healthcare costs !!!! I hope he dies a painful death !
 
President Obama reached out to Republicans; and Vice President Biden oversaw the economic recovery from ruin to riches to be the great economy that was handed to Trump.
 
PoliTalker said:
President Obama reached out to Republicans; and Vice President Biden oversaw the economic recovery from ruin to riches to be the great economy that was handed to Trump.
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Obama wasn’t the best at reaching, but McConnell’s goal to make him a one term President didn’t help, Obama was better than Trump is. Trump makes no effort for the universe’s most awesome deal makers, ever.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello NiftyNiblick,

It would be better if all Americans shared an identity as simply being Americans. I
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Well, politalker, here's the problem with that.
The word "American" refers only to a nationality, not an ethnicity.
Even Native Americans are from diverse tribes. The rest of us are even more diverse immigrants.

We don't have, and never have had, the solidarity experienced by homogeneous cultures.

Multicultural societies can work, perhaps, but not when political ideology is split evenly down the middle.
That's the recipe for what we have now, and it can't possible last.
The US is a powder keg.
We may as well get the "big bang" over with.

What we WANT to be true almost never is.
That's what happens in a universe comprised of the random confluence of sub-atomic particles in space.
 
PoliTalker said:
Why would Republicans decide to actually work against the American people?

Well, I guess if your PR propaganda is slick enough you can fool some of the people all the time.
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That you thought Obama was qualified based on skin color proves you can be fooled all of the time.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Well, politalker, here's the problem with that.
The word "American" refers only to a nationality, not an ethnicity.
Even Native Americans are from diverse tribes. The rest of us are even more diverse immigrants.

We don't have, and never have had, the solidarity experienced by homogeneous cultures.

Multicultural societies can work, perhaps, but not when political ideology is split evenly down the middle.
That's the recipe for what we have now, and it can't possible last.
The US is a powder keg.
We may as well get the "big bang" over with.

What we WANT to be true almost never is.
That's what happens in a universe comprised of the random confluence of sub-atomic particles in space.
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The problem with what you say is that when people of other nationalities come here, they demand that their way of life be adopted and accepted rather than acknowledging and accepting they're not in Kansas anymore. If where they were is so good they want to bring it with them, why did they leave?
 
CFM said:
The problem with what you say is that when people of other nationalities come here, they demand that their way of life be adopted and accepted rather than acknowledging and accepting they're not in Kansas anymore. If where they were is so good they want to bring it with them, why did they leave?
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Did you adopt the Cherokee way of life when you got here, dumbass?
 
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