Proof the Right Has No Idea What The Debate is About

PostmodernProphet said:
bottom line, if the government designs a plan and let's private companies sell it as well as the government, it's still the government's plan.....
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The government isn't designing private plans. They define minimums of coverage for policies to be sold on the EXCHANGE, which private companies don't HAVE to sell their plans on.
 
Southern Man said:
Thanks for making my point for me. A typical doctor's office has 2 office staff for every physician. The overhead is huge because the medicare paperwork burden is huge. Then there's the typical 6-month turn waiting period for payment. And the government can make the burden as big as they want and pay as slow as they want to stifle competition.
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Idiot, I was giving you the numbers for private health insurance industry overhead. Not providers. Providers aren't touched by this bill at all. And whatever overhead they have because of medicare paperwork is because seniors are old and sickly, not because there's something wrong with medicare.
 
Do not debate on their “policy” points.

Remember, they are seeking a platform to distort the truth about reform by making health care about abortion, rationing, euthanasia, etc.

Rather than try to reply with the truth (which won’t move them anyway) we should respond with our message and at every turn re-focus the agenda on communicating with our Members of Congress.

http://healthcareforamericanow.org/site/fight
 
ib1yysguy said:
Idiot, I was giving you the numbers for private health insurance industry overhead. Not providers. Providers aren't touched by this bill at all. And whatever overhead they have because of medicare paperwork is because seniors are old and sickly, not because there's something wrong with medicare.
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Same deal with the insurers. The paperwork is so onerous because of government involvement. *shrug*
 
ib1yysguy said:
The government isn't designing private plans. They define minimums of coverage for policies to be sold on the EXCHANGE, which private companies don't HAVE to sell their plans on.
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they didn't set "minimums", they set everything....for both plans in the exchange and out of it.....stop lying....
 
UnitedHealthcare CEO Stephen Hemsley owns $744,232,068 in unexercised stock options.

CIGNA’s Edward Hanway spends his holidays in a $13 million beach house in New Jersey.

Meanwhile, regular Americans are routinely denied coverage for the care they need when they need it most.

Welcome to the American health insurance industry.

Instead of helping policyholders attain the health security they need for their families, big insurance companies get rich by denying coverage to patients.

Now they’re sending lobbyists to Washington, DC to twist the arms of lawmakers to oppose reform of the status quo.

Why? Because the status quo pays.

http://sickforprofit.com/
 
PostmodernProphet said:
they didn't set "minimums", they set everything....for both plans in the exchange and out of it.....stop lying....
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I don't know why it's so hard for you to comprehend what you read. They even say the word "minimums" about four times in the section you cited. I don't know how much more clear it needs to be for you.
 
Southern Man said:
Right, the private sector is less efficient than the government. :rolleyes:

You fucking dummy. LOL
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I have the numbers to prove it. In fact, they're the same numbers we're arguing about. Overhead for Medicare = 2-3 percent. Overhead for private insurance? Anywhere from 15 percent on the low end to 40 percent at the highest.

Yes, in terms of health insurance, government is more efficient.
 
SM has a job that pays quite well. He says. Maybe he's a health insurance lobbyist.
 
ib1yysguy said:
I don't know why it's so hard for you to comprehend what you read. They even say the word "minimums" about four times in the section you cited. I don't know how much more clear it needs to be for you.
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/shrugs....it IS clear to me....you're just lying about it....
 
"Perhaps the most obvious advantage of public insurance is that it is inexpensive to administer. The public Medicare plan’s administrative overhead costs (in the range of 3 percent) are well below the overhead costs of large companies that are self-insured (5 to 10 percent of premiums), companies in the small group market (25 to 27 percent of premiums), and individual insurance (40 percent of premiums).15"

15. Cathy Schoen, et al., “Building Blocks for Reform: Achieving Universal Coverage With Private And Public Group Health Insurance,” Health Affairs, Volume 27, No. 3, May/June 2008, 647.

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Thems the facts. Peer reviewed and everything for you. When it comes to health insurance, government is clearly more efficient. LOL DUMMY LOLZ
 
"Health insurance premiums for nearly 200,000 people covered by Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan policies would increase an average of 22 percent -- far less than the company originally sought -- under a tentative agreement reached Thursday"

http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/52627047.html

"President Barack Obama has issued the call for the medical insurance industry to produce significant reform so millions of Americans still uncovered or underinsured by the healthcare insurance industry can obtain affordable medical care and to rein in the skyrocketing cost of premiums for the individuals who do have access to it. In response, Blue Cross Blue Shield has notified the Washington Post that it has an ad campaign in the development stage that will lambaste many of the reforms advocated by the president."

http://medheadlines.com/2009/05/25/b...a-health-plan/
 
ib1yysguy said:
I have the numbers to prove it. In fact, they're the same numbers we're arguing about. Overhead for Medicare = 2-3 percent. Overhead for private insurance? Anywhere from 15 percent on the low end to 40 percent at the highest.

Yes, in terms of health insurance, government is more efficient.
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That's because the government sets the rules, and makes the private companies file all kinds of paperwork that they exempt themselves from filing, dummy.
 
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