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BAC, if you were sincerely interested in the answers, you'd find ones that are more than satisfactory. Was the collapse of the Ronan Point apartment complex in 1968 also a controlled demolition?

http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/466.pdf

As for the PM article, they consulted with 300 experts in relevant fields, including Ph.D. engineers.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-sources

You are behaving no differently than a creationist trying to prove the world is 6,000 years old. I knew you had some nutty beliefs, such as your support for foreign dictators, but I wouldn't have pegged you as a 9/11 truther. You are too smart for that bullshit.
 
blackascoal said:
Apology accepted and appreciated. I only came back to this thread to read your response to my post to you.



In truth, it wasn't that good. Evidence of a fraud are to be found everywhere.

Like you, I watched it too, as did Peter Jennings .. and it looked exactly as he called it .. a controlled demolition.

Can you think of anything that looks like a controlled demolition that isn't?



The science questions that you can't answer are proof that the official story is a lie.



Where is the competency?

The official story was that when one of the planes hit one of the towers .. a paper passport fell out of the pockets of one of the hijackers, then fell through fire, fell hundreds of feet to the ground ,, then shortly after, an FBI agent, thought dust, smoke, and pulverized concrete so thick one could hardly see a hand in front of their face .. and among thousands of tons of pulverized steel, metal, office furniture, and paper .. that FBI agent walked over and found the passport and immediately related it to the event.

That's the OFFICIAL story.

I repeat, you CANNOT replicate the events of 9/11 because there are scientifically IMPOSSIBLE.

There is a plethora of evidence that conclusively demonstrates the fraud.

What do you have to say about what Col. Bowman said? Is he a looney .. doesn't know what he's talking about?

Much respect for you brother .. we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
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if there were explosive charges set to implode the buildings, why were they not triggered earlier when more people would have been killed and more collateral damage?

it is not the science put forward that i question, but the fact that the most unlikely things occur.
 
Don Quixote said:
if there were explosive charges set to implode the buildings, why were they not triggered earlier when more people would have been killed and more collateral damage?

it is not the science put forward that i question, but the fact that the most unlikely things occur.
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Explosions in the lower part of the building before it came down .. controlled demolition

This attack was not timed to inflict maximum collateral damage .. else the planes would have hit later in the day.

Swallowers claimed that there were no explosions prior to the building coming down.
 
Rationalist said:
BAC, if you were sincerely interested in the answers, you'd find ones that are more than satisfactory. Was the collapse of the Ronan Point apartment complex in 1968 also a controlled demolition?

http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/466.pdf

As for the PM article, they consulted with 300 experts in relevant fields, including Ph.D. engineers.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-sources

You are behaving no differently than a creationist trying to prove the world is 6,000 years old. I knew you had some nutty beliefs, such as your support for foreign dictators, but I wouldn't have pegged you as a 9/11 truther. You are too smart for that bullshit.
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With all due respect, I have no interest in discussion this issue with people who do not understand 3rd grade science. You still run away from the question.

With regards to my "nutty beliefs about dictators" .. obviously you run away from that as well .. given that I've not read your critique of it. It appears that you are unaware of the difference between speaking truths and support for dictators.

Anytime you'd like to take that on .. be my guest.
 
blackascoal said:

Explosions in the lower part of the building before it came down .. controlled demolition

This attack was not timed to inflict maximum collateral damage .. else the planes would have hit later in the day.

Swallowers claimed that there were no explosions prior to the building coming down.
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I agree with DQ, you are an intelligent man but you have some bat shit crazy beliefs.
 
blackascoal said:
With all due respect, I have no interest in discussion this issue with people who do not understand 3rd grade science. You still run away from the question.
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Your claims are addressed in the reference that I provided. Why do you think overwhelming scientific consensus is supportive of "the official story"? And why didn't you answer my question: was the 1968 collapse of that apartment building in the UK also a controlled demolition?

Again, this is no different than attempting to educate a creationist about evolution. Remain ignorant if you wish.
 
blackascoal said:
We should note that the dumbest poster on this board can turn every conversation into an imaginary attack on Jews.


Stupid
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Your continued use of a virulently Jew-Hating website is noted.

Aoxomoxoa said:
Do you subscribe to the five Israelis watching the towers falling down theory? In other words, Mossad caused 9/11.
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Aoxomoxoa said:
The owner of that website Veterans Today is on record as saying exactly that.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Today
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Even Tom gets it!
 
From the Wiki link:

A
ccording to the ADL, VT's articles are reposted widely on the Internet, primarily on conspiracy-oriented and right-wing extremist websites.

Veterans Today also reprints material from Iran's Mehr News Agency.[16] and its state-owned Press TV news agency.[17] Editor Gordon Duff is a military affairs analyst for Press TV.[18] Jonathan Kay, author of "Among the Truthers", wrote on his blog that Press TV exploits the "anti-Semitic Veterans Today web site to spread 9/11 conspiracy theories".[19] Veterans Today later printed Kevin Barret's poor review of Kay's book which condemned "Kay’s worst, most libelous ad-hominem" his "attempt to link 9/11 truth to holocaust denial". Barrett called him a "holocaust apologist, a supporter of the mass murder of millions of innocent people in the 9/11 wars".[20] Iranian Kourosh Ziabari, awarded "Iranian Superior Youth Award" by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,[21] writes for Veterans Today
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The Anti-Defamation League characterizes Gordon Duff, the VT senior editor and chairman of the board, as a "anti-Semitic conspiracist." In a July 2010 essay on VT, Duff asserted that the "five dancing Israelis" arrested on 9/11 were part of a "team of Israeli intelligence agents" who remotely guided the planes into the World Trade Center with the knowledge of "top members of America's military." He added that America's security continues to be threatened "by a nefarious and disloyal group of Americans who have dual U.S./Israeli citizenship and who control government organizations and private companies." In a separate piece, he wrote that "the Israeli lobby" is "the most powerful and ruthless group in the world."[3] The Southern Poverty Law Center also writes that Veterans Today propagates conspiracies about Israel orchestrating the September 11 attacks as well as about Holocaust Denial.[4] Journalist Arnaud de Borchgrave described Gordon Duff in 2010 as "a 100 percent disabled Marine Vietnam veteran [who] states flatly that Sept. 11, 2001, was a CIA-Mossad conspiracy and that Osama bin Laden was not involved and died in 2001" and that audio and video recordings aired by Al-Jazeera after the attack were "Clever Israeli forgeries."[23]
Two columnists for the National Post have criticized Veterans Today for publishing an article which they claimed "verges into Holocaust denial." The article, written by VT columnist J. Bruce Campbell in May 2011, states that:
“The holy gas chamber is a fake. Which makes the entire Holocaust story a fake. You can study it for a day or for a lifetime and your conclusion will be the same. There was never a plan for exterminating Jews and there was never an instrument. As Professor Robert Faurisson has asked for years, ‘Show me a gas chamber. Draw for me a gas chamber.’ It can’t be done because there was never such a thing.” The author also writes that “the main purpose of keeping alive the Holocaust is to protect Jewish banking practices.”[24][25][26]
According to the Anti-Defamation League, Veterans Today has promulgated the conspiracy theory that Israel orchestrated WikiLeaks as a public relations campaign. Gordon Duff has charged Julian Assange with cooperating with Israeli intelligence,[27] and in an interview with the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, he said that "WikiLeaks is obviously concocted by an intelligence agency. It's a ham-handed action by Israel to do its public relations."[28]
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Rationalist said:
Your claims are addressed in the reference that I provided. Why do you think overwhelming scientific consensus is supportive of "the official story"? And why didn't you answer my question: was the 1968 collapse of that apartment building in the UK also a controlled demolition?

Again, this is no different than attempting to educate a creationist about evolution. Remain ignorant if you wish.
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Whatever your kink is with creationists, I'm not one of them .. and your reference hardly applies.

The fact that neither you nor any other swallower here can answer a 3rd grade question that you know the answer to is really all I need to know brother. All the other mumbo-jumbo is just bullshit and an attempt to avoid your own reflection in the mirror.

The colonized mind .. that's you.

Fire can't bring down steel-frame buildings .. it never has, and it never will. I won't waste time explaining to you why it has never happened .. you should already know .. and I bet that you do. WTC 7 fucks up everything you've been told .. but you don't care. You don't care that no steel-frame building has ever come down from fire .. you don't care that collapsing mass ALWAYS topples over, not straight down .. you don't care about any fact or truth that doesn't fit what you were programmed to think.

It's neither my job nor responsibility to tell other people what to think .. but before you go questioning how rational anyone else is .. you should ask yourself how rational is someone who doesn't understand Newton's Apple.
 
blackascoal said:
Fire can't bring down steel-frame buildings .. it never has, and it never will.
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The answer to your "3rd grade question" is progressive collapse. Had you bothered to educate yourself on the subject, you would know this. Instead, you choose to only pay attention to conspiracy theory sources. That isn't my problem.

It has been demonstrated that the fire reached approximately 600 Celsius. This is enough to weaken the integrity of the steel by 85 percent. I'm not an expert on the subject, but I have to go with the opinion of those that do. The consensus on the subject is overwhelming.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
How many steel girder buildings have had enormous amounts of debris falling on them from above?
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Do you know ANYTHING about demolition? So you are saying that a demolition company blows one single point in a building and the weight from above collapses the whole building?
 
So that's the best you could come up with in two hours: post a video of firefighters that, in your estimation, are better informed on the subject than Ph.D. level engineers.

I have already brought sources to your attention that describe exactly why the buildings pancaked. You simply aren't interested in reality.
 
Rationalist said:
So that's the best you could come up with in two hours: post a video of firefighters that, in your estimation, are better informed on the subject than Ph.D. level engineers.

I have already brought sources to your attention that describe exactly why the buildings pancaked. You simply aren't interested in reality.
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You may have noticed that I didn't post that to you because I'm done discussing it with you.

You posted some links .. and I suppose I'm supposed to read through your entire link to discover what you're talking about .. when you could have simply posted the POINT you were trying to make as I do.

You've ignored everything I've posted, but I'm supposed to be enamored by your links. How about NO.

Best we simply agree to disagree and I'll post more evidence that you can ignore.

BTW, the firefighters were describing a controlled demolition .. that you claim never happened.
 
Superfreak said:
http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm
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A high school physics teacher named David Chandler objected to NIST’s initial claim, pointing out that, based on video footage of Building 7’s destruction, NIST’s claim contradicted “a publicly visible, easily measurable quantity.”[iii] Mr. Chandler wrote a comment to NIST, saying, “Acknowledgement of and accounting for an extended period of free fall in the collapse of WTC 7 must be a priority if NIST is to be taken seriously.”[iv]

Responding to the criticism, NIST in its final report issued in November 2008 did finally acknowledge that Building 7 descended at free fall. According to NIST, “This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s [a period of 2.25 seconds].”[v] However, NIST did not attempt to explain how Building 7’s free fall descent could have occurred.
 
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