Putin Op-Ed NYT: Putin's Plea Of Caution

Darla said:
Well, now i"ve seen everything. I read this op-ed this morning and laughed through the entire thing.

Georgia? Chechnya?

Wherever you fall on Obama and Syria, this need to make a hero out of this murderous piece of shit, is unnecessary and disturbing.

Have fun with it, but count me out. I never was one to get don my pom-poms when two assholes got into a fight.
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Russia is a dieing state -losing about 1million in population each year.


So Putkin want to expand influence -possible hegemony -all this is agreed.

Bu the US is indeed "an asshole", with our diseased mind of American exceptionalism.

Time to cut it all out -quit playing these global games.

on a positive note:

Is Iran coming in from the cold? Hints pile up as new president prepares for NYC trip
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...p-as-new-president-prepares-for-nyc-trip?lite
 
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Decline ended in 2012. Our population is 143 mln people and it started rising again. Birth rates increase steadily by 5-6% annually. Fertillity rate also increases (1.59 in 2010 - 1.74 in 2012, and probably around 1.8-1.85 in 2013)

Life expectancy fell below 70 right after collapse of the USSR, not in 2012. It was rising from 2003 to 2011. In 2012 it decreased a little compared to 2011, but not much - overhaul, Russia is recovering. There is no way it can depopulate to 116 mln now
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maybe i misstated..
 
blackascoal said:
I had not seen that .. but it is really juicy. It validates a great deal of what we've all been saying.

Kerry bumbled, Obama tried to pull Kerry's blunder back .. but too late because Putin jumped on it with both feet.

:0) Thanks much.

Like you, I'll be interested in the response.
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he's supposed to speak??
 
annata said:
LOL
Don't you think Kerry has been called out for "foot in mouth disease" by now.

I think he's gagged - -tied up on his yacht.
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I might be wrong, but pretty sure he was heading to meet with the Russians when the op-ed was published.
 
why do you clowns pretend it was a gaff?

Just like you pretending Dean was crazy for cheering on his troops with a sore voice
 
Darla said:
I doubt "the rest of the planet" is quite naive enough to believe Putin is making peace rather than playing for his own strategic interests.
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Wholeheartedly agree, no one would believe that any of the Russian moves have been for any reason than their own interests. That's what nations are supposed to do.
 
blackascoal said:
Ahh .. you might not want to look too deeply into that Georgia thing.

The US and the Georgia President .. who got paid .. instigated it.
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Are you seriously defending Putin? The guy is totalitarian to his core. Just because he agrees with you on Syria doesn't change that. You should look deeper into HIS motivation for keeping Assad in power. But I know you won't so here's a short primer. Assad buys all his weapons from Russia or China (hmmm doesn't China oppose regime change as well?) While I am absolutely against ANY military intervention in Syria by the US, to attempt to support your views by propping them up with Putin is at best intellectually dishonest.
 
Annie said:
Wholeheartedly agree, no one would believe that any of the Russian moves have been for any reason than their own interests. That's what nations are supposed to do.
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Is it?

Well, I suppose some can only view it in that manner.

Nevertheless, this hero worship of Putin is stomach turning. This guy is the former head of the KGB and has been responsible for plenty of slaughter while head of state as well.

You guys won't see reason, so I will leave you be. As I said, I don't fluff murderous leaders. Have fun. Eventually the worm will turn and he will be "evil" again when the orders go out on FOX. I will still hold my same position. This thread is making me ill.
 
Annie said:
I might be wrong, but pretty sure he was heading to meet with the Russians when the op-ed was published.
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I wonder if he'll take his top adviser on Syria with him?

Elizabeth O'Bagy, Syria Researcher Cited By Kerry And McCain In Hearings, Fired For Ph.D Claim

NEW YORK –- During last week’s Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on possible military strikes against Syria, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) read from an “important op-ed by Dr. Elizabeth O’Bagy,” whom he described as a “Syria analyst at the Institute for the Study of War.” That group fired O'Bagy Wednesday after learning she had falsely claimed she holds a Ph.D.

O'Bagy, 26, has recently appeared on CNN and Fox News as a Syria expert, but had her public profile raised last week when McCain and Secretary of State John Kerry cited her work in front of members of Congress discussing the possibility of military intervention in Syria. O’Bagy wrote that “contrary to many media accounts, the war in Syria is not being waged entirely, or even predominantly, by dangerous Islamists and al Qaeda die-hards.” For McCain and Kerry, each advocating intervention, the op-ed served as a way to speak to concerns over the make-up of the forces fighting Syrian President Bashar Assad, and whether they're hostile to U.S. interests.

But the Journal came under scrutiny for publishing the op-ed without disclosing O'Bagy's role as political director of the Syrian Emergency Task Force, a Washington-based advocacy group that has lobbied the White House and Congress to support the Syrian rebels.

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Some experts have questioned O’Bagy’s findings on Syria. Charles Lister, a top Middle East analyst at IHS Jane’s Terrorism & Insurgency Centre, tweeted his critique of the op-ed and argued that Syria is too complex to be viewed as “one single conflict.”

And while Kerry spoke before Congress about O'Bagy's "enormous" experience covering Syria, Janine Di Giovanni, a veteran foreign correspondent who has reported on the ground there, suggested that the young researcher had “exaggerated wildly her experience inside Syria.”

Di Giovanni told HuffPost that she's sure O'Bagy has read on Syrian history and the Assad family and that she's had some on-the-ground experience, "but not what she led Kerry and others to believe."

"Those of us who work in Syria, as reporters or researchers, are a very small group of people,” di Giovanni said. “We’re all incredibly cautious. We’re all protective of each other. It’s a very difficult job and difficult war to work in. It’s not a war to cut your teeth in. A lot of people were quite shocked when a 26-year-old Ph.D, so-called Syria expert who appeared to have never worked in the region, and whom no one had heard of, appeared on CNN and other networks as a Syrian expert.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/elizabeth-obagy-fired-syria_n_3908341.html

Maybe not.

The shit just keeps getting deeper.
 
Socrtease said:
Are you seriously defending Putin? The guy is totalitarian to his core. Just because he agrees with you on Syria doesn't change that. You should look deeper into HIS motivation for keeping Assad in power. But I know you won't so here's a short primer. Assad buys all his weapons from Russia or China (hmmm doesn't China oppose regime change as well?) While I am absolutely against ANY military intervention in Syria by the US, to attempt to support your views by propping them up with Putin is at best intellectually dishonest.
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I can't speak for BAC, but it's Desh that's been saying that we need to bomb Syria, for the WMD's, Putin stopped that plan of Obama's that she's been warmongering for. The 60%+ Americans that disagreed with that plan, were just glad that Putin grabbed the gaffes and ran it up the pole. That doesn't mean we 'hate' Obama and 'support' Putin or Russia in general. Any more than we think Putin/Russia has our country's interest at heart.
 
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