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Putin Op-Ed NYT: Putin's Plea Of Caution
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Darla
not just the weapons, there are strategic ties to Syria - Russia's lone ME "client state" ( influence)
back to the times of the early ME wars over the Golan Heights
The port of Tartus/ cultural ties/ there were about 100K Russian living in Syria before this war.
Oh. and Russia flew in a TON of banknotes at the beginning of the war. might want a ROI in those.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Syria_relations
Didn't "Bush" or "raygun" give them to him?
I doubt it.
why not stay neutral? See things as they are? Forget Putin's desire to make Russia a great power again, but also realize the US isn't winning the "hearts and minds" anywhere we war?
"just saying" -not trying to TELL you anything, Darla
EDIT: saw an earlier post, DArle was quite clear in her views, and I agree ( sorry about this)
He is a least the wisest of the two...
Now tell us....what would Abe Lincoln say about it ?
I am very interested to know why. I always value your opinion.
I agree with Putin's statement of exceptionalism and think it has been the USA's problem for some time
Thanks, he is a murderous piece of shit.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
It isn't hero worship at all. It is simply a statement of fact that the US was grossly outmaneuvered by Putin.
It is s statement of fact that the world did not want Syria bombed .. Obama did.
Putin stopped the bombs .. of course for his own reasons, but what the world sees is that Syria is not being bombed and Putin made that happen.
It's kind of analogous to how do we celebrate George Bush .. who murdered countless people during the war on Iraq, but has also saved more than a million lives of African people?
How do we celebrate the US .. which has a long and filthy history of slavery, terrorist interventions, and mass murder, yet also provides opportunity and a semblance of fairness?
I'm of the opinion that leaders and nations should be judged case by case.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I absolutely agree, and I think it was the highlight of what he had to say.
You either want to go to war or you don't....make up your mind.....
Obama wants to attack a foreign country and Putin helped stop that bullshit....pick a side Miss Gutless, or can it....
If you don't want war then you stand with Putin as much as anyone, right or left.
There is definitely his own interest in the game.
Obama? Yes. He's even droned US citizens.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
VERY WELL SAID
There is some hero worship going on,,,from the left and the far right.
But i think most Americans are just breathing a sigh of relief. Now about those CIA weapons...cut it out.
CIA weapons reaching Syrian rebels
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z2
The CIA has begun delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, ending months of delay in lethal aid that had been promised by the Obama administration, according to U.S. officials and Syrian figures.
The shipments began streaming into the country over the past two weeks, along with separate deliveries by the State Department of vehicles and other gear — a flow of material that marks a major escalation of the U.S. role in Syria’s civil war.
The arms shipments, which are limited to light weapons and other munitions that can be tracked, began arriving in Syria at a moment of heightened tensions over threats by President Obama to order missile strikes to punish the regime of Bashar al-Assad for his alleged use of chemical weapons in a deadly attack near Damascus last month
Although the Obama administration signaled months ago that it would increase aid to Syrian rebels, the efforts have lagged because of the logistical challenges involved in delivering equipment in a war zone and officials’ fears that any assistance could wind up in the hands of jihadists.
Secretary of State John F. Kerry had promised in April that the nonlethal aid would start flowing “in a matter of weeks.”
The delays prompted several senior U.S. lawmakers to chide the Obama administration for not moving more quickly to aid the Syrian opposition after promising lethal assistance in June
The criticism has grown louder amid the debate over whether Washington should use military force against the Syrian regime, with some lawmakers withholding support until the administration committed to providing the rebels with more assistance
But i think most Americans are just breathing a sigh of relief. Now about those CIA weapons...cut it out.
CIA weapons reaching Syrian rebels
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z2
The CIA has begun delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, ending months of delay in lethal aid that had been promised by the Obama administration, according to U.S. officials and Syrian figures.
The shipments began streaming into the country over the past two weeks, along with separate deliveries by the State Department of vehicles and other gear — a flow of material that marks a major escalation of the U.S. role in Syria’s civil war.
The arms shipments, which are limited to light weapons and other munitions that can be tracked, began arriving in Syria at a moment of heightened tensions over threats by President Obama to order missile strikes to punish the regime of Bashar al-Assad for his alleged use of chemical weapons in a deadly attack near Damascus last month
Although the Obama administration signaled months ago that it would increase aid to Syrian rebels, the efforts have lagged because of the logistical challenges involved in delivering equipment in a war zone and officials’ fears that any assistance could wind up in the hands of jihadists.
Secretary of State John F. Kerry had promised in April that the nonlethal aid would start flowing “in a matter of weeks.”
The delays prompted several senior U.S. lawmakers to chide the Obama administration for not moving more quickly to aid the Syrian opposition after promising lethal assistance in June
The criticism has grown louder amid the debate over whether Washington should use military force against the Syrian regime, with some lawmakers withholding support until the administration committed to providing the rebels with more assistance
Why don't you go sit in the corner and drool, it is your forte.
Putin's comment wasn't a dig at Americans is general....it was a personal jab at Obama's arrogance.....that was as plain as day to everyone but you
partisan pinheads.....
It was the zinger or zingers.....and oh so right on the money....Putin nailed it.
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Darla
His statement about American exceptionalism is one thing, the claim that he is playing the role of peacemaker quite another.
As to the first, sure I agree with him. So what? Does anyone actually believe that people in other countries actually believe in American exceptionalism? That's laughable. Maybe some sad sack creatures who enjoy crawling to power...you know, like women who serve the patriarchy by being rape apologists here in this country. I'm sure you could find a few. But for the most part, no one living in any country other than America, believes in American exceptionalism. Many may admire us (well, that is probably more past tense) and even look up to us, but that is different than the paternalistic idea of our exceptionalism. So PUtin doesn't believe we're exceptional. I have no doubt he thinks he is! It's not impressive when someone other than an American argues against American exceptionalism. If an American argues against it, then that's something I would credit.
To the latter matter - this guy is no man of peace. Let's drop the bullshit. We don't need a hero in order to be against the bombing of Syria. This is a with us or against us scenario that comes directly out of a simple right wing mind. I am against the bombing of Syria. I vehemently disagree with Obama's foreign policy. I do not think he is or ever was deserving of the nobel peace prize. I do not need to make Putin into a hero in order to hold these beliefs. I do not understand so many who have this deep-seated need to have a good guy and a bad guy. Same thing in Syria. Guess what, many times there is no good guy.
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Darla
You and I appear to be on the same page.