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StoneByStone said:
So here's the deal. I think you're smart enough to know that you're wrong here. If a person doesn't like Mestizos because they're half American Indian, that's racism.
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Even if mestizos were a race, you would still need to prove that Trump's comments were about race and not about behavior of the mestizo that is perceived by Trump and his base as anti American.

It doesn't become not racism because Mestizos are part white.
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And it doesn't become racism just because they are part not white. You need to rule out the notion that his comments were not about their behavior, and you would need to isolate it to a belief that it was about his belief that his race is superior. The biggest challenge you will have in proving his comments are racist is isolating his comments from the political desire of his political opponents to paint him as a racist.

And I don't believe that you're stupid enough to think that Mestizos are just white people in denial or something.
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Mestizo is one of many terms that guilty white lefties use to hide their shameful whiteness. Being percieved as a victim is important for lefties, and mestizo sounds less privileged than white sounds. This is why pocahontas claimed Indian and this is why white lefty politicians claim anything but white.

Obama is half black and half white, surely you wouldn't say that calling him a nigger isn't racist because he's part white.
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This word is specifically directed at a race and is meant to inflict harm because of race when used in the way you describe, so it is isolated from other intent.

I know that you like Trump so you don't want to admit he's using racism, but no rational person is going to fall for that.
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I am fine with seeing him held accountable if he is a racist, but I am not fine with having him falsely framed as a racist by his political opponents as a tactic in a political war.

And really, what is gained by saying it's not REALLY racism because Mestizo and Arabic aren't races? Trump is still discriminating against people who aren't considered white by society. So what do you want to call that? Bigotry? Is that any better? Saying "Trump isn't a racist, he's actually a bigot" isn't a good selling point.
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Step back from the political war for a moment and remember that racism is a single type of bigotry, and that there are many types of bigotry that are not racism. If racism is such an ugly thing, why not isolate racism to what it really is? If you reserve the word for describing how a racist believes his race is superior to another, you will also preserve the impact of the term.
 
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StoneByStone said:
... Saying "Trump isn't a racist, he's actually a bigot" isn't a good selling point.
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The reason why we still debate runs deeper than substituting other groups for race groups. Motive really needs to be isolated to and proven to be about race, or whatever non race group that you are trying to pass off as a race. Politically motivated and biased assertions from Trumps political opponents are not enough. Insults directed at other races are not racist unless they are racially motivated.
 
Evmetro said:
The reason why we still debate runs deeper than substituting other groups for race groups. Motive really needs to be isolated to and proven to be about race, or whatever non race group that you are trying to pass off as a race. Politically motivated and biased assertions from Trumps political opponents are not enough. Insults directed at other races are not racist unless they are racially motivated.
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And I already explained why Trump's insults about the Squad were racially motivated. Now you're trying to twist words and play semantics in order to say it wasn't about race because Mestizos and Arabs (somehow) are white. Well, even if that's the case, then Trump's insults would still be bigoted. So your effort to try to defend Trump doesn't hold up. Even if he wasn't being racist, he was still being bigoted.
 
StoneByStone said:
And I already explained why Trump's insults about the Squad were racially motivated.
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Explaining why his comments were racially motivated is only explaining your personal opinion if it is not accompanied with evidence that isolates it to racial motivation. There is reasonable doubt that lefties refuse to summarize and address, such as the full and correct context of his comments and the perceived anti america agenda of the squad by Trump and his base. There needs to be evidence that it can only be race.

Now you're trying to twist words and play semantics in order to say it wasn't about race because Mestizos and Arabs (somehow) are white. Well, even if that's the case, then Trump's insults would still be bigoted. So your effort to try to defend Trump doesn't hold up. Even if he wasn't being racist, he was still being bigoted.
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I would not be debating with you about racism if you were simply wanting to paint Trump as a bigot. I don't think I have ever heard of a politician who isn't a bigot. Bigot simply means intolerance, which is nothing unusual in the world of politics.
 
Lefties cannot even tell us what race these women are, but they feel qualified to decide if they have been exposed to racism. Interesting.
 
Evmetro said:
Why do you suppose we can hear the word "race" when we say "racism?"
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I don't know what comment you were replying to, since you only quoted a question mark.

But I will say that the word "race" has been used in different ways depending on the situation and society. For a long time, what we now call "ethnic groups" were considered races. You might be familiar with how the Nazis used the belief that Slavs were an inferior race to justify oppressing them. Today, Slavs are not considered a race, they're considered a linguistic family.
So even if the American government doesn't recognize Arabs as a race, you can still be racist against them. And, more importantly in the case of Trump, you can use the fear of Arabs being a different race to gain power.
 
StoneByStone said:
I don't know what comment you were replying to, since you only quoted a question mark.

But I will say that the word "race" has been used in different ways depending on the situation and society. For a long time, what we now call "ethnic groups" were considered races. You might be familiar with how the Nazis used the belief that Slavs were an inferior race to justify oppressing them. Today, Slavs are not considered a race, they're considered a linguistic family.
So even if the American government doesn't recognize Arabs as a race, you can still be racist against them. And, more importantly in the case of Trump, you can use the fear of Arabs being a different race to gain power.
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Why do you suppose we can hear the word "race" when we say "racism?"
 
Evmetro said:
You are making it clear that you intend to use racism to describe more than just racism.
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I've never done that. I only use racism to describe discrimination or hatred based on groups considered races.

Saying that using hatred of Arabs to gain support isn't racism because Arabs aren't considered a race by the American census is both wrong and relying on semantics.
 
Evmetro said:
You want to use race to describe muslims, mexicans and other non race groups, so that you can call your political opponents racists.
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I don't use "race" for religious groups like Muslims. I do use it for ethnic groups like Mexicans, because race and ethnicity are closely linked and sometimes interchangeable.
 
StoneByStone said:
I don't use "race" for religious groups like Muslims. I do use it for ethnic groups like Mexicans, because race and ethnicity are closely linked and sometimes interchangeable.
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Why not use ethnicity to describe ethnicity, and race to describe race? Ethnicity refers to cultural factors, including nationality, regional culture, ancestry, and language, so why would you want to use race to describe ethnicity if it is not for political gain? Racism is meant to describe how victims are hurt when they are discriminated against specifically because of their race, so redefining racism can only marginalize the real problem of race specific discrimination. There are already anti discrimination laws in place that forbid discrimination because of race, but these laws spell out ethnicity, religion, and nationality separately. I don't see why you want to conflate race and ethnicity, since it only hurts the real victims.
 
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