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PostmodernProphet
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what, more juvenile photoshopping?.....how about some facts relating to spending protests?....and, for something new, how about some links to the garbage you're posting instead of facts?.....
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Here you are: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/09/912-march-lobbyists/
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/shrugs....I've never had any trouble showing you the door in a debate....though I suspect by "decent discussion" you mean one you won?.....
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This Saturday, right-wing protesters will gather in Washington DC for a march to oppose health reform and President Obama. The event, scheduled intentionally on September 12 to coincide with the anniversary of the day following the September 11 terrorist attacks, was conceived largely by Fox News’ Glenn Beck.
However, most of the day-to-day organizing has been orchestrated by a now familiar set of lobbyists and Republican operatives who helped plan anti-Obama “grassroots” tea party events since February. In addition, a set of far-right groups are supporting the event, bringing along their members to join in on the Obama-bashing.
In the past, Beck has said he “hates” the families of the victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Nonetheless, Beck hosted a special program earlier this year announcing his initiative called the “9/12 Project” — an effort to ostensibly recreate the patriotic unity after the September 11 attacks. But far from calls for common ground, Beck explained that the purpose was to demonize his political opponents, declaring that his movement would “surround them.” He has also implored listeners to attend the rally because they “may be the only thing that stands between freedom and slavery.” The 9/12 project website, owned by Beck’s media company Mercury Radio Arts, directs readers to Beck’s radio newsletter.
While Beck and his allies in right-wing media have provided a platform of constant publicity and coverage for the march, FreedomWorks, led by former corporate lobbyist and Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX), has turned the gears to make the event possible. The official website for the protest, 912dc.org, is owned and operated by FreedomWorks and most of the logistical work for the march is being coordinated from its offices in DC. Starting in August, Beck began directing viewers to the FreedomWorks website at the end of his Fox News show. Billed as a “grassroots” rally, the event is actually sponsored by organizations run by partisan GOP operatives and corporate front groups:
– Gold Sponsor Tea Party Patriots is a website run by FreedomWorks staffers. When Tea Party Patriots list serv members objected to the 9/12 march symbol, they were rebuffed and told that all final decisions were made by FreedomWorks.
– Gold Sponsor Our Country Deserves Better is a Republican PAC that also operates the Tea Party Express, a bus tour arriving in DC for the 9/12 march. Our Country Deserves Better/Tea Party Express, which has ran an advertisement comparing Obama to Hitler, is managed by the GOP consulting firm Russo, Marsh & Rogers.
– Bronze Sponsors The Heartland Institute and the Competitive Enterprise Institute are phony think-tanks dedicated to churning out academic-appearing reports to discredit global warming. Like FreedomWorks, both organizations are funded by David and Charles Koch of the Koch Industries oil empire, one of the largest privately held companies in the world.
– Bronze Sponsor American Conservative Union is run by David Keene, a lobbyist for a firm that represents private health care companies, including the insurer HealthFirst.
– Bronze Sponsor The Senate Conservatives Fund is a Republican Party PAC run by Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC).
Many of these groups — each of which paid up to $10,000 to FreedomWorks to participate as sponsors — were pivotal in providing assistance (talking points, event lists, signs) to attendees of rowdy town halls in August and anti-Obama tea party protests. Encouraging anger and intimidation against lawmakers supporting health care reform was part of the strategy.
But for the 9/12 march, there appears to be a shift towards a more radical coalition. The official sponsorship list reveals a subterranean, extreme element of the American right in attendance.
The National Association for Rural Landowners, a bronze sponsor, references the incidents at Waco and Ruby Ridge to call for attacks on “government entities” and liberals. In a YouTube video posted in July, the group makes the case for a secession, followed by a violent civil war. Similarly, another 9/12 cosponsor, FreeRepublic, is a forum for various radical right causes. As ThinkProgress reported, the shooter at the Holocaust museum found a welcome audience for his writings on the website.
Despite the inclusion of such anti-government extremists, Rep. Tom Price (R-GA), Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA), and Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) plan to attend and speak.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/09/912-march-lobbyists/
However, most of the day-to-day organizing has been orchestrated by a now familiar set of lobbyists and Republican operatives who helped plan anti-Obama “grassroots” tea party events since February. In addition, a set of far-right groups are supporting the event, bringing along their members to join in on the Obama-bashing.
In the past, Beck has said he “hates” the families of the victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Nonetheless, Beck hosted a special program earlier this year announcing his initiative called the “9/12 Project” — an effort to ostensibly recreate the patriotic unity after the September 11 attacks. But far from calls for common ground, Beck explained that the purpose was to demonize his political opponents, declaring that his movement would “surround them.” He has also implored listeners to attend the rally because they “may be the only thing that stands between freedom and slavery.” The 9/12 project website, owned by Beck’s media company Mercury Radio Arts, directs readers to Beck’s radio newsletter.
While Beck and his allies in right-wing media have provided a platform of constant publicity and coverage for the march, FreedomWorks, led by former corporate lobbyist and Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX), has turned the gears to make the event possible. The official website for the protest, 912dc.org, is owned and operated by FreedomWorks and most of the logistical work for the march is being coordinated from its offices in DC. Starting in August, Beck began directing viewers to the FreedomWorks website at the end of his Fox News show. Billed as a “grassroots” rally, the event is actually sponsored by organizations run by partisan GOP operatives and corporate front groups:
– Gold Sponsor Tea Party Patriots is a website run by FreedomWorks staffers. When Tea Party Patriots list serv members objected to the 9/12 march symbol, they were rebuffed and told that all final decisions were made by FreedomWorks.
– Gold Sponsor Our Country Deserves Better is a Republican PAC that also operates the Tea Party Express, a bus tour arriving in DC for the 9/12 march. Our Country Deserves Better/Tea Party Express, which has ran an advertisement comparing Obama to Hitler, is managed by the GOP consulting firm Russo, Marsh & Rogers.
– Bronze Sponsors The Heartland Institute and the Competitive Enterprise Institute are phony think-tanks dedicated to churning out academic-appearing reports to discredit global warming. Like FreedomWorks, both organizations are funded by David and Charles Koch of the Koch Industries oil empire, one of the largest privately held companies in the world.
– Bronze Sponsor American Conservative Union is run by David Keene, a lobbyist for a firm that represents private health care companies, including the insurer HealthFirst.
– Bronze Sponsor The Senate Conservatives Fund is a Republican Party PAC run by Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC).
Many of these groups — each of which paid up to $10,000 to FreedomWorks to participate as sponsors — were pivotal in providing assistance (talking points, event lists, signs) to attendees of rowdy town halls in August and anti-Obama tea party protests. Encouraging anger and intimidation against lawmakers supporting health care reform was part of the strategy.
But for the 9/12 march, there appears to be a shift towards a more radical coalition. The official sponsorship list reveals a subterranean, extreme element of the American right in attendance.
The National Association for Rural Landowners, a bronze sponsor, references the incidents at Waco and Ruby Ridge to call for attacks on “government entities” and liberals. In a YouTube video posted in July, the group makes the case for a secession, followed by a violent civil war. Similarly, another 9/12 cosponsor, FreeRepublic, is a forum for various radical right causes. As ThinkProgress reported, the shooter at the Holocaust museum found a welcome audience for his writings on the website.
Despite the inclusion of such anti-government extremists, Rep. Tom Price (R-GA), Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA), and Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) plan to attend and speak.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/09/912-march-lobbyists/
You idiot; he said white & over 50 is "mostly" what patriots look like.
And you're defending that. You will defend anything, as long as it's from a rightie.
The only idiot is you. You who missed his "pinhead" sarcasm about the over white and 50 stupidity vomited by assholes as if that's some indication of racism.
Again why would the 90% of black voters who voted for Obama and his policies be in the crowd protesting his policies??? Answer that Mr. Idiot!
Well, no teabagger on jpp was able to help me find the answer to my question.
But, luckily, Senator Jim Demint provided an answer: the teabag protest was all white because of “poor timing” and bad “media promotion”.
Makes sense.
Nope. They're point is actually a lot less valid, because their theme is "taxed enough already," and the vast majority of them have HAD THEIR TAXES CUT THIS YEAR.
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Well I agree that a lot of them are definitely ignorant but that really wasn't my question. Cypress seems to be implying that it is inappropriate for large groups of white people to voice their opinions without an appropriate crossection of minorities.
However, to fire back at your diversion argument let me just say that only an idiot would think that the current levels of spending are not going to result in higher taxes at some point down the road. They may have gotten a tax cut this year, but their taxes will almost inevitably rise in the future to pay for the excesses of the present.
Well, I disagree with that. I think we & future generations would have suffered a great deal more w/out the stimulus & bailouts, but I understand that there are those who disagree, and that there are competing economic theories on this topic.
Obviously, more budget spending needs to be cut than what we have seen thus far, but I think that can happen when the smoke clears on the economic crisis. Will Obama do what is necessary? I really don't know, but I will be sorely disappointed if he does not. Despite the criticism, he has some very sound economic minds - who are not way out lefties - in his admin.
As for the topic of the thread, I didn't see the protest, but I think it would be funny & certainly fit the stereotype if it was mostly over 50 angry white guys - the Dennis Miller & Bill O'Reilly hang. I doubt it was so homogenous.
I mainly took issue with bravo's assertion that patriots are "mostly" over 50 and white. ID said it was sarcasm, but it pretty much fits bravo's mo.
Any tax cuts the few saw was rendered moot by the increase in sin taxes and other consumer tax increases passed this year. Further, taxes are set to increase dramatically when the Bush tax cuts expire and not a single democrat, including Obama, have said they will keep them in place. Likewise when it's time to pay the piper for the stimulus package which was LOADED with BS pork, taxes will HAVE to be increased. So in short, all Obama has done is take a year before he shits all over the American people with all of his spending.
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Ummm, what tax cuts were these?
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evidently they were so memorable, no one can remember them..but this administration plans to make up for it, if there were any, by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire next year...
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tell me the percentage of blacks who voted for obama.....
I keep asking him to explain why the 90% of black voters who voted for Obama and his policies would then join in protest against him and his policies...so far silence.
I don't know, I wasn't at one of them. I did, however, just spent the past few hours listening to the next Senator from Colorado.
Here's the video from his website:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SC3bjBfoXA"]YouTube - Ryan Frazier - A New Way Forward[/ame]
Here he is at a TEA Protest...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVWxbVvIc8A"]YouTube - GJ Sentinel Video of Ryan Frazier at the TEA Party Ryan Frazier for Colorado[/ame]
He speaks of Balanced Budget Amendments, he speaks of rules that will not allow a vote on new legislation without an explanation how it applies to the powers granted the federal government in the constitution...
IMO, this is the next Senator for Colorado...