Question for conservatives: Why has there never been a female US President?

[StoneByStone]

I doubt that Ivanka would win the presidency or even run for it.

You greatly overestimate the influence of the alt-right. Populists dominate Trump's base, and they aren't nearly as misogynist as feminists try to paint them as.

They're not misogynist in the sense that they hate women. However, they are *cringes* traditionalists who believe that men should be men, women should be women. That's a major reason why they hate any kind of change that has to do with traditional notions of gender.

 

[StoneByStone]

You Russians won't succeed this time.

They so will.

 

[Saudade]

They're not misogynist in the sense that they hate women. However, they are *cringes* traditionalists who believe that men should be men, women should be women. That's a major reason why they hate any kind of change that has to do with traditional notions of gender.

Traditionalism has a spectrum like anything else.

I support traditional gender roles to an extent, but I'm not against having women in management or politics. There are many Republican women in office, some of whom are executives. So clearly, traditionalism isn't particularly extreme in various Republican areas.

 

[Saudade]

You Russians won't succeed this time.

Use whatever excuse you like when you lose.

If Trump loses, I won't be blaming it on any foreign influences.

 

[StoneByStone]

Traditionalism has a spectrum like anything else.

I support traditional gender roles to an extent, but I'm not against having women in management or politics. There are many Republican women in office, some of whom are executives. So clearly, traditionalism isn't particularly extreme in various Republican areas.

For a while, that was the majority view among Republicans. But today, with the Alt-Right influencing the narrative so strongly, the Republican voter base has moved a lot further Right. That's one of the reasons Trump won. He's seen as a throwback to the "good ol' days" when a man could be a man without all this dang political correctness.
How come the Right has a problem with trans men using the same bathrooms as women, but doesn't have a problem with Trump talking about how when he hosts beauty pageants, he walks in on the women getting undressed? Isn't this pretty much the same thing? Not for the Right, because it's not really about women's safety, it's about trans people being different, and Trump being a throwback to a time when men could get away with things like that.
So yeah, if we were still living in the Bush days, when the Right was more moderate, I could see a Republican woman winning. But no way it's happening now.

 

[Saudade]

For a while, that was the majority view among Republicans. But today, with the Alt-Right influencing the narrative so strongly, the Republican voter base has moved a lot further Right. That's one of the reasons Trump won. He's seen as a throwback to the "good ol' days" when a man could be a man without all this dang political correctness.

Actually, Trump is more of a populist than a conservative. Economically, he's pretty moderate. He is more conservative on immigration and certain social issues, but the Overton Window has clearly shifted to the left in overall society.

The GOP holds some positions that would align with moderate Democrats in the 90s.

By contrast, the Democratic Socialists have become a significant wing of the Democrats as have various SJWs. The Democratic party is the one that has become more radical now, by a longshot.

How come the Right has a problem with trans men using the same bathrooms as women, but doesn't have a problem with Trump talking about how when he hosts beauty pageants, he walks in on the women getting undressed? Isn't this pretty much the same thing?

Only in a vague sense. Trump ran the pageant, so he set the rules. Is it ethical? Probably not. And frankly, he could be sued for harassment over it, if he hasn't already.

The reason it didn't get as much attention from the right as the bathroom issue is because the bathroom issue is applied to all of society. One guy acting like a creeper in his pageant is not as big of a deal as a policy applied to all of society that enables a whole lot of creepers. In short, the scale is totally different.

Not for the Right, because it's not really about women's safety, it's about trans people being different, and Trump being a throwback to a time when men could get away with things like that.
So yeah, if we were still living in the Bush days, when the Right was more moderate, I could see a Republican woman winning. But no way it's happening now.

It is about women's safety, and plenty of women (not all of whom are conservative) would agree. Plenty of feminists don't like letting trans women into bathrooms, but these feminists are getting ostracized as "TERFs".

 

[jimmymccready]

Use whatever excuse you like when you lose.

If Trump loses, I won't be blaming it on any foreign influences.

There will be no foreign interference against Trump, but there will be for him.

 

[Saudade]

There will be no foreign interference against Trump, but there will be for him.

Keep telling yourself that. It still won't help you win the Midwest.

 

[jimmymccready]

Keep telling yourself that. It still won't help you win the Midwest.

Sure, it will. The MW hates Russia, with good reason, and NeverTrumpers, Indies, and Dems will turn out in huge numbers, swamping the Trumpers.

 

[Saudade]

Sure, it will. The MW hates Russia, with good reason, and NeverTrumpers, Indies, and Dems will turn out in huge numbers, swamping the Trumpers.

The only way that's happening is if the Democrats actually campaign better there. Maybe they will, but lately, Democrats seem to be terrible at learning from their mistakes.

 

[StoneByStone]

Actually, Trump is more of a populist than a conservative. Economically, he's pretty moderate. He is more conservative on immigration and certain social issues, but the Overton Window has clearly shifted to the left in overall society.

By contrast, the Democratic Socialists have become a significant wing of the Democrats as have various SJWs. The Democratic party is the one that has become more radical now, by a longshot.

It's shifted to the Left on some issues, to the Right on other issues.
Trump markets himself as a populist, but he's really nothing but an opportunist. His economic policies have helped the rich but hurt the working-class. If we ignore Trump's personality and just focus on his policies, he's a painfully normal Republican. Like every Republican, he presents America as a place that used to be great until those elitist Liberals took over, then he gets into bed with the 1%.

What is now being called "Democratic Socialism" isn't radical. Most rich countries have free health care and the majority of Americans now think we should have it too.
And which mainstream Democrats are SJWs?

Only in a vague sense. Trump ran the pageant, so he set the rules. Is it ethical? Probably not. And frankly, he could be sued for harassment over it, if he hasn't already.

The reason it didn't get as much attention from the right as the bathroom issue is because the bathroom issue is applied to all of society. One guy acting like a creeper in his pageant is not as big of a deal as a policy applied to all of society that enables a whole lot of creepers. In short, the scale is totally different.

Conservatives didn't have to choose, they could have opposed both. Instead, they just shrugged it off as Trump being a "man's man." Again, it's about this fetishistic longing for the good ol' days when men were able to get away with sexual harassment. Even Trump getting accused of rape by more women than Bill Cosby wasn't enough.

It is about women's safety, and plenty of women (not all of whom are conservative) would agree. Plenty of feminists don't like letting trans women into bathrooms, but these feminists are getting ostracized as "TERFs".

If that was the case, then they would have been even more outraged by Trump, not only going into women's dressing rooms, but bragging about how he did it to look at the naked girls. And yeah, it was just one guy, but it was a guy who was running for president. Could you imagine the homophobic outrage we'd hear from the Right if Buttigieg said something like that about naked boys?

 

[jimmymccready]

The only way that's happening is if the Democrats actually campaign better there. Maybe they will, but lately, Democrats seem to be terrible at learning from their mistakes.

The steady victories since early 2017 through the last set of elections show that you are wrong.

 

[Saudade]

The steady victories since early 2017 through the last set of elections show that you are wrong.

Hey, I welcome your assuredness. If enough Democrats think they have the election in the bag, they won't show up to vote.

 

[Saudade]

It's shifted to the Left on some issues, to the Right on other issues.
Trump markets himself as a populist, but he's really nothing but an opportunist. His economic policies have helped the rich but hurt the working-class. If we ignore Trump's personality and just focus on his policies, he's a painfully normal Republican. Like every Republican, he presents America as a place that used to be great until those elitist Liberals took over, then he gets into bed with the 1%.

What is now being called "Democratic Socialism" isn't radical. Most rich countries have free health care and the majority of Americans now think we should have it too.
And which mainstream Democrats are SJWs?

Trump's trade policies are very different from previous Republicans.

It's called Democratic Socialism because they self-identify as such. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America

Any Democrat that supports reparations, abolishing ICE, the trans ridiculousness, or free healthcare for illegals is most certainly an SJW. That would fit multiple Democratic candidates for president.

Conservatives didn't have to choose, they could have opposed both. Instead, they just shrugged it off as Trump being a "man's man." Again, it's about this fetishistic longing for the good ol' days when men were able to get away with sexual harassment. Even Trump getting accused of rape by more women than Bill Cosby wasn't enough.

More women than Cosby? Citation needed for that. It's beside the point anyway. After the B.S. they pulled against Kavanaugh, it's pretty clear the Democrats have a lot of liars that don't mind accusing Republicans if it means potential political gain.

If that was the case, then they would have been even more outraged by Trump, not only going into women's dressing rooms, but bragging about how he did it to look at the naked girls. And yeah, it was just one guy, but it was a guy who was running for president. Could you imagine the homophobic outrage we'd hear from the Right if Buttigieg said something like that about naked boys?

I can agree that Buttigieg would get a lot of flack for the equivalent. It doesn't change how letting trans women use women's bathrooms can be problematic.

Ultimately, government shouldn't get involved in the bathroom policy. Businesses should be able to use their own discretion regarding it. If someone "passes," then no one is the wiser. But if someone with a beard does it, it will cause a scene for obvious reasons.

The problem is that the LGBT lobby increasingly wants to harass the rest of society.

 

[jimmymccready]

Hey, I welcome your assuredness. If enough Democrats think they have the election in the bag, they won't show up to vote.

Keep on keepin' thinking that.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

A girl of full age who was probably a sex slave. Wales is the joke, however.

Thought we'd get onto your horseshit eventually, racist fart. Piss off onto ignore!

 

[CFM]

Thought we'd get onto your horseshit eventually, racist fart. Piss off onto ignore!

Run like a coward when your feelings get hurt, puss.

 

[Scut Farkus]

Conservative women still let men rule them,grab them by the pussy,and do what they are told.

yes. the slutwalk protesters are really classing up femininity.

 

[StoneByStone]

Trump's trade policies are very different from previous Republicans.

It's called Democratic Socialism because they self-identify as such. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America

Any Democrat that supports reparations, abolishing ICE, the trans ridiculousness, or free healthcare for illegals is most certainly an SJW. That would fit multiple Democratic candidates for president.

His trade policies are his only non-establishment Republican policies, but they've actually been worse for America. If anything, this shows us that being non-establishment isn't always good.

What I'm saying is that "Democratic Socialism" isn't radical. The policies that define this label are common throughout the West and most Americans agree with them. The only reason people say it's radical is because "Socialism" is a scary word.

I think that's a pretty loose way to define SJW. I know it's subjective, but I think most people would say an SJW is someone who sees racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia EVERYWHERE. Like the people who say it's "problematic" that the front-runners are both straight white cis-gender men, those people are definitely SJWs. But I don't think you have to be an SJW to believe in those other ideas.

More women than Cosby? Citation needed for that. It's beside the point anyway. After the B.S. they pulled against Kavanaugh, it's pretty clear the Democrats have a lot of liars that don't mind accusing Republicans if it means potential political gain.

Maybe a lot of the Trump accusers are lying, but he was also accused of sexual assault before he became a politician. And many of his accusers aren't Democrats or political in anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

I can agree that Buttigieg would get a lot of flack for the equivalent. It doesn't change how letting trans women use women's bathrooms can be problematic.

I disagree, but I'm sure there are people who really believe this and I can respect them. However, when a Trump supporter says this, I know they're being fake. If a trans man using a women's bathroom is such a dire threat to women's safety, then how is it also not a dire threat that a serial rapist goes into a women's dressing room to (by his own admission) look at the naked women? Even if Trump supporters honestly don't believe the rape allegations, they're still left with a man walking into a room of women specifically to see them naked.
That's why I don't believe the bathroom issue is really about safety. It's about transphobia because the Right is filled with Boomers who are just afraid of change and see Trump as a stance against change.

 

[GoodGameAllin]

His trade policies are his only non-establishment Republican policies, but they've actually been worse for America. If anything, this shows us that being non-establishment isn't always good.

What I'm saying is that "Democratic Socialism" isn't radical. The policies that define this label are common throughout the West and most Americans agree with them. The only reason people say it's radical is because "Socialism" is a scary word.

I think that's a pretty loose way to define SJW. I know it's subjective, but I think most people would say an SJW is someone who sees racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia EVERYWHERE. Like the people who say it's "problematic" that the front-runners are both straight white cis-gender men, those people are definitely SJWs. But I don't think you have to be an SJW to believe in those other ideas.



Maybe a lot of the Trump accusers are lying, but he was also accused of sexual assault before he became a politician. And many of his accusers aren't Democrats or political in anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations




I disagree, but I'm sure there are people who really believe this and I can respect them. However, when a Trump supporter says this, I know they're being fake. If a trans man using a women's bathroom is such a dire threat to women's safety, then how is it also not a dire threat that a serial rapist goes into a women's dressing room to (by his own admission) look at the naked women? Even if Trump supporters honestly don't believe the rape allegations, they're still left with a man walking into a room of women specifically to see them naked.
That's why I don't believe the bathroom issue is really about safety. It's about transphobia because the Right is filled with Boomers who are just afraid of change and see Trump as a stance against change.

Is there a reason you keep hijacking my threads w your fucking off topic nonsense?