Question for dipshit 3rd Party voters

[NiftyNiblick]

Tater head isn’t a demorat. JFK, the last dem I even came close to trusting, would have had the CIA arrest that brain dead bastard as a communist spy yesterday. That asshole is a brainless fluffy bunny boy with some chicom's hand up his ass, moving his mouth and he doesn't speak English very well.

JFK was a lukewarm liberal if even that.
His younger brother Teddy was the real deal.
He was the important Kennedy from my perspective.

 

[LurchAddams]

That's incorrect, but I can see how you would leap to that conclusion by reading people such as Stone, Underdog/Rev. Hellhound and STY who all claim to be "Libertarians".

Not at all. I used the Pauls as a real-life example. Not characters on the internet.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Not at all. I used the Pauls as a real-life example. Not characters on the internet.

Ron and Rand are a bit different. Rand's comments on the 1964 CRA were blown out of proportion by self-righteous Lefties. Since then, he's moved further right into Alt-Right territory. Again, not Libertarian.

The only reason why the Pauls ran with the Republicans is because they couldn't get traction, meaning elected, on the LP ticket.

FWIW, the LP isn't perfect and I only agree with them on about 80% of the issues: https://www.lp.org/platform/ Where the LP and I disagree are on international issues, specifically national security which includes foreign trade and corporate oversight/regulation, including environmental concerns.

This article is a nice summation of Libertarian ideology: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/281399-5-things-the-libertarian-party-stands-for/
5 things the Libertarian Party stands for

Still, the bottom line is that I prefer the LP as Door #3 compared to the Democrats and Republicans. Regardless of how you vote, I encourage all Americans to vote their conscience.

 

[LurchAddams]

Ron and Rand are a bit different. Rand's comments on the 1964 CRA were blown out of proportion by self-righteous Lefties. Since then, he's moved further right into Alt-Right territory. Again, not Libertarian.

The only reason why the Pauls ran with the Republicans is because they couldn't get traction, meaning elected, on the LP ticket.

FWIW, the LP isn't perfect and I only agree with them on about 80% of the issues: https://www.lp.org/platform/ Where the LP and I disagree are on international issues, specifically national security which includes foreign trade and corporate oversight/regulation, including environmental concerns.

This article is a nice summation of Libertarian ideology: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/281399-5-things-the-libertarian-party-stands-for/
5 things the Libertarian Party stands for

Still, the bottom line is that I prefer the LP as Door #3 compared to the Democrats and Republicans. Regardless of how you vote, I encourage all Americans to vote their conscience.

Right now there are only two parties. 1, that promotes Democracy, and 1 that hates it. Voting 3rd party is throwing votes away, so I'm going with the party that doesn't want to crown a king.

 

[Althea]

Let's say by some miracle that your Libertarian moron candidate somehow won the Presidential election. Don't worry about how, let's just give you the benefit of the doubt and indulge your crazy fantasy.

How does that Libertarian President advance any of their agenda through a Congress in which their party controls exactly ZERO seats?

Anyone who is voting 3rd Party has not considered that question, or has and is comfortable with their Libertarian moron candidate abusing the same executive authority that they got so mad at Trump and Biden for exploiting.

3rd Party Presidential voters are performative, dipshit moron assholes with no coherent beliefs or ideas, who have not thought through the implications of their poor decisions. 3P voters will never, ever, ever, ever, ever be on the right side of anything because all they do is condemn both sides. That's the only way they can wrap their heads around complex problems...either because they're fucking stupid, or they're just lazy.

Chasing their votes is a waste of time. Anyone who has decided to vote 3P is not someone you'd want in your coalition anyway...because they're fucking stupid and cowardly. I don't want dumb cowards on my side because all I will have to do is coddle them at the expense of my beliefs.

Third party voters don't expect their candidate to win. They feel better if they make a political statement.

Truthfully, there are only a handful of states where it would matter.

I have a long time internet friend who voted third party when he lived in California.

He moved to Pa. a few years ago, and knows that he can't throw away his vote now.

 

[Althea]

There isn't much logic to it, I'll admit..

What I tell myself is that the 2-party system isn't working anymore. I don't expect the candidate I vote for to win - but maybe if enough people start voting 3rd party, we'll actually have a viable one someday.

I just can't vote for one of the 2 major parties anymore, barring the emergence of a transcendent, transformational leader who takes up one of the main party's banners. They haven't earned my vote in any way. They're both awful (Republicans are worse, for sure - but both are awful).

Do you vote third party down ballot? Do you live in a solid Red/Blue state as I do?

In '16 I simply didn't vote for POTUS. Not because I didn't know that Clinton was more than qualified. I decided a couple of years earlier that I was sick of the gridlock in Congress, and simply made a statement by not voting for POTUS.

Which, IMO scares politicians more. I believe that they will try and get an apathetic individual to the polls, knowing that they will never get a vote from a third party voter.

 

[Althea]

Right now there are only two parties. 1, that promotes Democracy, and 1 that hates it. Voting 3rd party is throwing votes away, so I'm going with the party that doesn't want to crown a king.

I'm curious how many third party voters actually do so in a state where it matters?

 

[Althea]

What if the 3rd party voter considers both main party candidates repulsive.
You think it’s better to not vote?

Yes. Just vote down ballot, for the reason I mentioned above.

 

[Althea]

Bernie endorsed Joe Biden. I don't know why people are going after Bernie, he's done everything he needs to do to support the nominee and President. He campaigned for Joe Biden while Hillary Clinton walked around the woods in upstate NY, remember?

Bernie put in the work; the people who screwed us were the 3P voters. Bernie wasn't a 3P voter. He voted for Biden.

Bernie, like trump on Jan 6, basked in the glory of his followers who rose up and were furious at Clinton.

He enjoyed the energy for quite some time before he gave a tepid endorsement of Clinton.

Of course, Comey did more damage than Bernie, but he could have helped a lot more than he did.

And Biden gets the blame for sitting back and giving Hillary 'her turn'.

Mondy morning QB'ing for sure. Nobody believed that the nation was stupid enough to elect trump.

 

[Althea]

It doesn't. It's every American citizen's civic duty to vote. IMO, every citizen should vote their conscience. If neither party represents their beliefs about what is best for America, then they should pick the Third Option...which is exactly what I plan unless the Republican Party regains its sanity such as nominating Nikki.

If your vote mattered, would you still take the chance that a Dem could win your state?

My vote doesn't matter, so I am free to make any statement I wish. Although I haven't played around since '16

 

[Althea]

Disagreed. I like Nikki and believe she can help bridge the gap between Democrats and Republicans.

She's pro life. Non starter in the upcoming election

 

[RB 60]

JFK was a lukewarm liberal if even that.
His younger brother Teddy was the real deal.
He was the important Kennedy from my perspective.

Ted was a drunken killer.

 

[LurchAddams]

I'm curious how many third party voters actually do so in a state where it matters?

I was referring to national elections like US Senators, Representatives, and the presidency. I'm not familiar with state-by-state local stuff.

 

[BartenderElite]

Do you vote third party down ballot? Do you live in a solid Red/Blue state as I do?

In '16 I simply didn't vote for POTUS. Not because I didn't know that Clinton was more than qualified. I decided a couple of years earlier that I was sick of the gridlock in Congress, and simply made a statement by not voting for POTUS.

Which, IMO scares politicians more. I believe that they will try and get an apathetic individual to the polls, knowing that they will never get a vote from a third party voter.

I live in a solid state. So my Presidential vote doesn't matter.

I don't necessarily vote 3rd party down the line. More in the Presidential.

 

[Althea]

How about a vote to ensure we do not lose our democracy? That’s what is on the ballot. A bad time to start a new exercise regimen is when you are flatlining on the gurney.

Do you agree that the number of states where voting third party affects an election is rather limited?

 

[Althea]

How does a 3P POTUS advance any of their agenda through a Congress where their party controls ZERO seats?

They don't.

Pre Gingrich, this question is pertinent. Now we see that neither party can get anything done with less than 60 Senators and a majority in the House.

It's a very sad commentary on our nation.

 

[Althea]

I was referring to national elections like US Senators, Representatives, and the presidency. I'm not familiar with state-by-state local stuff.

When people refer to 3rd party candidates, I assume it's for POTUS. Reps stand a good chance to win, as we see with the loons on the far Right/Left. Senators not so much. Notwithstanding Tuberville.

But the vast majority of states are decided well before the election, with a very small handful of swing states mattering.

And that was my question. How many 3rd party voters do so in a safely Red/Blue state, and essentially have the privilege of making a bold statement while risking nothing?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Ted was a drunken killer.

But in a good way.

Seriously, we were politically on the same page.
I vote for policy positions, not personalities.

 

[Concart]

Do you agree that the number of states where voting third party affects an election is rather limited?

Yes but easily enough states to tip the election.

 

[Lightbringer]

Let's say by some miracle that your Libertarian moron candidate somehow won the Presidential election. Don't worry about how, let's just give you the benefit of the doubt and indulge your crazy fantasy.

How does that Libertarian President advance any of their agenda through a Congress in which their party controls exactly ZERO seats?

Anyone who is voting 3rd Party has not considered that question, or has and is comfortable with their Libertarian moron candidate abusing the same executive authority that they got so mad at Trump and Biden for exploiting.

3rd Party Presidential voters are performative, dipshit moron assholes with no coherent beliefs or ideas, who have not thought through the implications of their poor decisions. 3P voters will never, ever, ever, ever, ever be on the right side of anything because all they do is condemn both sides. That's the only way they can wrap their heads around complex problems...either because they're fucking stupid, or they're just lazy.

Chasing their votes is a waste of time. Anyone who has decided to vote 3P is not someone you'd want in your coalition anyway...because they're fucking stupid and cowardly. I don't want dumb cowards on my side because all I will have to do is coddle them at the expense of my beliefs.

Maybe your coalition sucks? Knock the libertarians all you want, I agree with you, they're idiots, but your uniparty isn't any better.

Tell me you're a sheep without actually saying you're a sheep...