Questions for Anti-Choice Crowd

JPF said:
That is your opinion. It is basically the reason why you’re a citizen (if you’re in the United States). Save the argument "My parents were citizens"—the same rule applies to them.

Again…you guys ready to have 5-10% more Hisapanics and Blacks here tomorrow (depending on how many Hispanic/Black women are pregnant)? Let the Supreme Court (the 9 unelected people in robes you guys used to hate) uphold this Heartbeat Bill today. I’m good with it myself. Great stuff for progressives. For brain-dead conservatives? Not so much. CA and NY will pick up a few electoral votes and as Texas becomes more purple….LOL. No more deportations of undocumented Hispanic women since they’re carrying an unborn citizen. Again…great stuff.
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Their parent were citizens as well...

What other country allows a foreigner to come i to the US, be here five minutes before giving birth and grants that child citizenship? It's a retarded law.
 
Dark Soul said:
Their parent were citizens as well...
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Likely because they were born here.

If most people had to justify their right to stay here, we’d be deporting large swaths of Red States (and considerable swaths of all states) immediately.


Which highlights the absurdity of the new immigration standards that Trump is introducing. An “uneducated” roofer is more important to me than a “skilled” systems analyst any day. An “unskilled” plumber’s helper is more needed than all of the attorneys who may be applying for citizenship; we have plenty of those.
 
JPF said:
Being born here means that you’re a citizen; since being born, for you guys, is no longer a distinguishing factor….you must think that any zygote who is currently inside a woman’s body is a citizen with every right you had at that time.
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why?.......you just said they had to be born here under the law in question........personally I think the law should be changed eliminating birth citizenship.....obviously I wouldn't be in favor of conception citizenship.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why?.......you just said they had to be born here under the law in question........personally I think the law should be changed eliminating birth citizenship.....obviously I wouldn't be in favor of conception citizenship.......
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Not sure what you’re asking?

Why does being born here mean you’re a citizen? It’s in the constitution. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”


The anti-choice crowd is arguing that life begins at conception and birth is no longer a prerequisite for personhood so that would suspend the concept of one being “born” if that law is codified nationwide. In Georgia, for example, the new law extends tax breaks to women who are pregnant. Yep…you heard that right. If you’re pregnant in Georgia, you now have a dependent! "Will an unborn child be eligible to be included as a dependent on the state tax returns?

Yes. The new law clarifies that if they meet the other qualifications for the term “dependent” under the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, any unborn child with a detectable human heartbeat shall qualify as a dependent minor.”

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/faqs-new-georgia-law-recognizes-unborn-children-persons/

If we get rid of birthright citizenship, determining who is a citizen and who isn’t should be lotsa fun. Especially if we adopt the new crazy-koo-koo Trump immigration policies as a barometer; where you have to show that you’re “desirable” to be given entry into the nation.
 
JPF said:
Not sure what you’re asking?

Why does being born here mean you’re a citizen? It’s in the constitution. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”


The anti-choice crowd is arguing that life begins at conception and birth is no longer a prerequisite for personhood so that would suspend the concept of one being “born” if that law is codified nationwide. In Georgia, for example, the new law extends tax breaks to women who are pregnant. Yep…you heard that right. If you’re pregnant in Georgia, you now have a dependent! "Will an unborn child be eligible to be included as a dependent on the state tax returns?

Yes. The new law clarifies that if they meet the other qualifications for the term “dependent” under the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, any unborn child with a detectable human heartbeat shall qualify as a dependent minor.”

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/faqs-new-georgia-law-recognizes-unborn-children-persons/

If we get rid of birthright citizenship, determining who is a citizen and who isn’t should be lotsa fun. Especially if we adopt the new crazy-koo-koo Trump immigration policies as a barometer; where you have to show that you’re “desirable” to be given entry into the nation.
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Also, another delicious part of the new Georgia law is that Fathers are now on the hook for pregnancy and birth expenses under the law. Meaning that if you knock up someone…you’re likely paying the hospital bills for the woman to have a kid.

Can the father of an unborn child be forced to pay child support?

Yes. However, the maximum amount of support that the court may impose on the father before the child is born cannot exceed the amount of direct medical and pregnancy related expenses of the mother of the unborn child.

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It’s a lot of trouble you boys are going through to try to keep women from having sex…
 
JPF said:
Likely because they were born here.

If most people had to justify their right to stay here, we’d be deporting large swaths of Red States (and considerable swaths of all states) immediately.


Which highlights the absurdity of the new immigration standards that Trump is introducing. An “uneducated” roofer is more important to me than a “skilled” systems analyst any day. An “unskilled” plumber’s helper is more needed than all of the attorneys who may be applying for citizenship; we have plenty of those.
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No the were legal immigrants. Looks like you don't get to decide who's important or not.
 
Dark Soul said:
No the were legal immigrants. Looks like you don't get to decide who's important or not.
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But of course…

Except with President Trump, they would have to be “desirable” to even get here in the first place, much less become citizens. You’re okay with some generic assessment, apparently.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
not complicated.....were the parents citizens?.......if not, the child will have to seek naturalization....
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So if the illegal is “knocked up” by a citizen, the fetus is a citizen but the mother isn’t? What do you do, rip the baby from the womb and deport the mother?

Again, you boys are sure going through a lot of time and trouble to keep women from having sex.
 
TOP said:
Do you have children? When did you acknowledge them as your son or daughter? Did you wait until after they were born?
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Why did God,in Numbers 3:15, command that only those who were a month old or older be counted? Why not count the unborn and those younger than a month? Obviously, they weren't really people yet.

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ThatOwlWoman said:
True. So it follows that if a cell contains that person's full complement of DNA, it should be considered "life" and protected. Obviously we should be enacting strict laws against male masturbation. lol
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Even when done 'properly', enormous amounts of sperm are wasted. Millions, or even a billion, sperm in a single ejaculation, and only one might find and enter an egg. And many fertilized eggs will be aborted by God. So I don't see what pro-lifers are so whacked out about.

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JPF said:
But of course…

Except with President Trump, they would have to be “desirable” to even get here in the first place, much less become citizens. You’re okay with some generic assessment, apparently.
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Given the aspects of the FLOTUS, I imagine that the Toadstool sees "desirable" as sex worker, big tits (fake or not), willingness to put out and/or work at a sub-par salary, possess enough money to invest in TrumpCo properties, etc.

If they are serious about protecting American jobs, they'll drop that H1B visa shit and allow in ppl willing to work at minimum wage.
 
rjhenn said:
Even when done 'properly', enormous amounts of sperm are wasted. Millions, or even a billion, sperm in a single ejaculation, and only one might find and enter an egg. And many fertilized eggs will be aborted by God. So I don't see what pro-lifers are so whacked out about.
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Nature performs far more "abortions" than human beings do.

"According to the March of Dimes, as many as 50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage -- most often before a woman misses a menstrual period or even knows she is pregnant. About 15-25% of recognized pregnancies will end in a miscarriage. More than 80% of miscarriages occur within the first three months of pregnancy."

https://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/pregnancy-miscarriage
 
JPF said:
So if the illegal is “knocked up” by a citizen, the fetus is a citizen but the mother isn’t? What do you do, rip the baby from the womb and deport the mother?

Again, you boys are sure going through a lot of time and trouble to keep women from having sex.
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????.....nobody is keeping anyone from having sex.....of course if the father would simply marry the mother of his child she wouldn't be an illegal any more......
 
Grumpy said:
Very true but a sperm cell and an egg cell are haploids thus they are not complete human life forms. You don't have a human life until the two join. That is the beginning of a human life.
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Yet even the Bible doesn't regard it as an actual person until birth and, in at least one case, not until a month after birth.

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ThatOwlWoman said:
Quite true. I was engaging in a bit of hyperbole there.

Nature doesn't seem to have enough respect for human life. We should DO something!

"According to the March of Dimes, as many as 50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage -- most often before a woman misses a menstrual period or even knows she is pregnant. About 15-25% of recognized pregnancies will end in a miscarriage. More than 80% of miscarriages occur within the first three months of pregnancy."

https://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/pregnancy-miscarriage
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Exactly. It's clear that God doesn't hold human life as sacred.

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Grumpy said:
I didn't say it was did I? I simply said that Democrats have held voter drives in predominantly Democrat oriented areas. With the intention of increasing the Democratic voting bloc. How many voter drives do you see in upper suburbia that tend to lean Republican?
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Republicans engage in gerrymandering and voter suppression, they don't help people.

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ThatOwlWoman said:
I really don't know about suburbia, other than I recall voter drives in St. Louis County, which mostly tended to go red. We lived for 11 years in a rural, predominantly conservative area. There were voter drives there, as well as volunteers who would drive ppl (mostly the elderly) to the polls and home again.

Again, why did you bring up (D)s having voter drives as though it bothered you? I don't care who the ppl eventually vote for; I just like them doing it. Otherwise, it seems like the sacrifices that you and other vets made to ensure that precious right are wasted.
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Grump's against anyone except Republicans voting.

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