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Bull Durham said:
I'm thinking of illiberals. In this case, leftists. Do socialists not agree with progressives on the utility of intersectionality in politics?
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Depends how you're defining "Socialist." Marxists never gave much thought to intersectionality. Today's Fox News Socialists generally recognize the reality of intersectionality.
 
StoneByStone said:
Depends how you're defining "Socialist." Marxists never gave much thought to intersectionality. Today's Fox News Socialists generally recognize the reality of intersectionality.
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One should generally recognize the reality of any fraudulent scheme being perpetrated against them.
 
StoneByStone said:
Which is why I would never vote for Marxism. But what's wrong with Fox News Socialism?
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When a European country has its economy collapse, it can fall back on the EU, IMF, NATO, and the US for support. If the US fails, it's the end of Western Civilization and liberal democracy.

Also, the true aim of progressivism is not itself. Progressivism is a means to an end, and not an intended end itself, whatever individual progressives may tell themselves.
 
Bull Durham said:
When a European country has its economy collapse, it can fall back on the EU, IMF, NATO, and the US for support. If the US fails, it's the end of Western Civilization and liberal democracy.
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So then America should move to Social Democracy. That's much more stable than Capitalism.
And even if America did fail, it wouldn't be the end of Western Civilization, since we'd still have Europe, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

Also, the true aim of progressivism is not itself. Progressivism is a means to an end, and not an intended end itself, whatever individual progressives may tell themselves.
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Of course. The point of progressive policies are to improve the country. That's the end.
 
CFM said:
Still not racist.

Would calling someone a Hillary lover mean they're a misogynist?
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No, but "nigger" is a racial slur for Blacks, and you're assuming I only agree with some Obama policies because he's black.
Isn't of being a pussy and pretending you don't know all this, just be an adult and admit it.
 
StoneByStone said:
So then America should move to Social Democracy. That's much more stable than Capitalism.
And even if America did fail, it wouldn't be the end of Western Civilization, since we'd still have Europe, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.



Of course. The point of progressive policies are to improve the country. That's the end.
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The rest of the West is incapable of standing-up to China and Russia without the US.

The point of progressivism is to incrementally undermine liberalism, in contrast to more extreme forms of illiberalism, which would do away with it immediately.
 
Bull Durham said:
The rest of the West is incapable of standing-up to China and Russia without the US.

The point of progressivism is to incrementally undermine liberalism, in contrast to more extreme forms of illiberalism, which would do away with it immediately.
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You see plots and plans where they do not exist. Progressivism sees the wealth gap and the power of the plutocrats as problematic. The wealthy are confiscating the profits the workers created. The wealthy have no end to their greed. Progressives are not undermining anyone. they are just fighting to get their policies in place. That is politics.
 
Bull Durham said:
The rest of the West is incapable of standing-up to China and Russia without the US.

The point of progressivism is to incrementally undermine liberalism, in contrast to more extreme forms of illiberalism, which would do away with it immediately.
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Russia wouldn't be able to beat the Western world in a war, even if America wasn't involved. Putin is a "strongman" dictator. He projects strength to cover up his country's weakness.

So how come the most progressive countries still have their Western values?
It's actually conservative countries that have much less freedom.
 
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