Racial Cleansing... in L.A.?

blackascoal said:
Please post where I said "justifies"

What I posted was WHY many have turned to gangs but I have said nothing about justifying their actions.

Please pay attention
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What is the operative word then, jackass. WHy are you mentioning it. SHould we use "excuses", "mollifies". WHat is the relationship between your idiot fact and the issue at hand?
 
blackascoal said:
Dude, you not only said "few", you said "very few" ..



You also said they are weak-willed and I suggest that they are no more weak-willed than you are or most anybody else.

Would you consider gangsters in the mafia to be "weak-willed", or they joined the mafia to get "respect", or because they couldn't stand on their own?

Capone, Gotti, Dillinger .. weak-willed?

They were far from weak-willed .. and according to you, they were brave.

There is no difference between the gangs of then and the gangs of now.
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So you too take the position that all statements are made in a vacuum, that another further statement in a conversation has no merit whatsoever and should never be taken as a more in-depth explanation of thought?

I find this remarkably closed-minded and a weak position to take. I agreed many do, then qualified that with "most" do not and it changes not one iota of my belief that most are weak-willed and willing to define their choices by circumstance rather than by responsibility toward their own choices.

I came by this knowledge and those realizations through hard-won life lessons, mostly by trial and error and nothing you will say here will dismiss my experience in life as trivial or my position as in error. More especially based on an argument on semantics taken from a statement assumed in vacuum rather than as part of a larger conversation.
 
blackascoal said:
Please post where I said "justifies"

What I posted was WHY many have turned to gangs but I have said nothing about justifying their actions.

Please pay attention
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I did pay attention that was in response to Asshats post. You are not the only on on this thread...
 
Damocles said:
I watched as friend after friend went to jail from all those "circumstances". They "felt" as if there was no other way...

I learned through watching that it isn't circumstance that makes it happen, it is your choices through which you will define the rest of your life. Each decision you make is either a new beginning or a further step on the path you selected. On this framework I built my future choices in life and chose a far different path even though the same circumstance defined my living conditions as defined theirs.
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Far, far more choose another course than gangs than do, but whatever your living conditions were when you grew up, they were not the living conditions or the same environment that everybody has faced.

I grew up poor in Detroit, but life was still fun, exciting, and educational. However, I'm glad I didn't grow up in today's society facing the challenges many young people have to face today. Just because my environment was poor, doesn't give me the right to make out of hand judgements about how everybody else should handle their life.

I've never met a perfect person and I'd bet that you haven't either, including the person you see in the mirror.

Step out of your republican mindset for a moment and recognize that I'm not suggesting there is anything good about gangs, but I fully recognize why many turn to gangs.
 
blackascoal said:
Far, far more choose another course than gangs than do, but whatever your living conditions were when you grew up, they were not the living conditions or the same environment that everybody has faced.

I grew up poor in Detroit, but life was still fun, exciting, and educational. However, I'm glad I didn't grow up in today's society facing the challenges many young people have to face today. Just because my environment was poor, doesn't give me the right to make out of hand judgements about how everybody else should handle their life.

I've never met a perfect person and I'd bet that you haven't either, including the person you see in the mirror.

Step out of your republican mindset for a moment and recognize that I'm not suggesting there is anything good about gangs, but I fully recognize why many turn to gangs.
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Take some of that same advice.
 
Damocles said:
Not much like that one. One doesn't join the republicans because they think it will get them respect they didn't earn. Most people choose a party because they vote for and attempt to implement laws that they agree with more often than another choice of party.

Very few people join gangs because they think gansta life is the way that all people should live, they do it because they are too weak to stand on their own and believe that the only respect they will receive is that 'respect' that is demanded rather than commanded by their actions.

The blind support portion may come from this fear to stand alone as well, but not from the "respect" thing. There is some similarities, but not the same reality. I would never say that somebody joined either the D or R party because they believe they will be able to demand 'respect' they never otherwise would get.
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I'm not buying the gangs/political party connection either. In a sense there's a similarity as people join gangs/groups/clubs etc. to be a part of something but that specific example is stretching that.

I've also never once thought a person might be rich or poor based on what political party they belong to. I don't follow that line of thinking.
 
That people join a political party for percieved status gains.
Or that many consider the republican party the party of the rich and want to hang with them because of that.
After all who would want to be classed with the poor .
 
uscitizen said:
That people join a political party for percieved status gains.
Or that many consider the republican party the party of the rich and want to hang with them because of that.
After all who would want to be classed with the poor .
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Oh, so people don't join the Republican Party because they share any of the same beliefs but because they want to be perceived as rich? Ok, that's a new to me.

And then why do people join the Democratic Party? Is it because they want to be perceived as poor, even though many Democrats are rich?
 
Democrats are a more varied less in lockstep bunch. I think most band together to fight the lockstep Republicans.

Kinda like people becoming Christians to avoid going to hell ;)
 
uscitizen said:
Democrats are a more varied less in lockstep bunch. I think most band together to fight the lockstep Republicans.

Kinda like people becoming Christians to avoid going to hell ;)
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LOL. I think this is a myth. I have seen more lockstep from the Democratic Presidential candidates than I have from the Republicans.

People say, "See, we're not as lockstep as they are!" so consistently that no matter how much lockstep there is evident it becomes blocked out.

Shoot, you have so many different views among the Presidential candidates on the R side it is astounding from R. Paul's get out of Iraq, leave equipment behind to Giuliani's new sudden interest in the border, to Tom Tancredo saying his view isn't strong enough....

The idea that there is "lockstep" more in the R than in the D party is pretty much a joke.
 
The fact is it doesn't matter where they came from.

You throw up this "it's hard for them" bullshit in the face of criticism "as if" it is a justification. If it's NOT a justification, stop bringing it up just like someone would a justification.
 
Damocles said:
LOL. I think this is a myth. I have seen more lockstep from the Democratic Presidential candidates than I have from the Republicans.

People say, "See, we're not as lockstep as they are!" so consistently that no matter how much lockstep there is evident it becomes blocked out.

Shoot, you have so many different views among the Presidential candidates on the R side it is astounding from R. Paul's get out of Iraq, leave equipment behind to Giuliani's new sudden interest in the border, to Tom Tancredo saying his view isn't strong enough....

The idea that there is "lockstep" more in the R than in the D party is pretty much a joke.
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yeah now after Bush shot hell out of the party.
But between Regans getting into office and bush shooting the party to hell....
 
uscitizen said:
yeah now after Bush shot hell out of the party.
But between Regans getting into office and bush shooting the party to hell....
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I guess you've sold yourself that Democrats are somehow different than Republicans to make yourself feel better about voting in lockstep with the Democrats for over 30 years.
 
Republicans tend to have more courage of their convictions than do democrats.

If political parties were a gang .. democrats would be the SpongeBob gang, and republicans would be the Crips.
 
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