Real 3rd Party Scare.

It is like 1930's Germany...and it is the American conservative Republicans who have made that once proud party into a shit heap, Matt.

It has become the Nazi party of America...the Taliban of America...everything that is wrong with America.

Wish you could see that.

no it hasn't. you knuckle- dragging mouth breathing brainwash victim.

you're the utilitarian nazis.

you're the gun grabbing mass murderers.
 
no it hasn't. you knuckle- dragging mouth breathing brainwash victim.

you're the utilitarian nazis.

.

Fuck you, you fucking Nazi prick.

you're the gun grabbing mass murderers.

Why is this directed at me, you fucking asshole? Where have you ever read anything from me suggesting anything of the kind?

Do I own any guns, AssHat, and how many?

What kind are they...revolvers or those fucking jam frequent Glocks that amateurs think make their dicks look bigger?

Or do I own no guns even though I have at least a dozen law enforcement officers in my immediate family...all of whom have lots of guns?
 
Fuck you, you fucking Nazi prick.



Why is this directed at me, you fucking asshole? Where have you ever read anything from me suggesting anything of the kind?

Do I own any guns, AssHat, and how many?

What kind are they...revolvers or those fucking jam frequent Glocks that amateurs think make their dicks look bigger?

Or do I own no guns even though I have at least a dozen law enforcement officers in my immediate family...all of whom have lots of guns?

So you strongly support the rights guaranteed by the 2nd amendment?
 
I've been saying this since the Republicans and the Democrats conspired to keep Ralph Nader from the final Presidential Debates years ago. Remember folks, the 2 Party system needs to CHANGE .... and the Democrats are NOT exactly friendly to the idea. Here's comedian and social commentator Jimmy Dore on the subject:




Polls have shown a majority of Americans are open to/interested in a third party. But to the D’s and R’s credit they’ve done a hell of a job 1) preventing competition and 2) convincing people they are throwing their vote away if they vote third party (hell, a poster on this board went as far to say voting third party is anti-democratic).

So people have a mindset where they want to vote third party but because they think no one else will they choose not too. Which is too bad people think that way because if polling is accurate enough people want the same thing but are afraid to act on it
 
you're lying about your gun support.

IF you have a single post from me from anywhere...here or any of the other fora where I post...ANY ONE FROM ME suggesting the "gun grabbing" you asserted...cite it. (Don't bother to look, there are none!)

You are a fucking liar...and a Nazi, you prick.
 
At least 95% of people who want a third party don't know how to situate the proposed party ideologically.
They just don't want Democrats or Republicans.

There are conservatives not content with the Republican Party.

There are progressive liberals not content with the Democratic Party.

Their new parties would be completely different from one another.

Then of course, there are also brain-dead moderates far too timid to support serious change of any kind.

Perhaps we do need a third party, but if we do, we equally need a fourth and possibly fifth or sixth.

Still, how many stupid Americans understand that it we have multiple viable parties, ALL presidential elections going forward would be decided in the House of Representatives?

It doesn't matter if that's good or bad for the proposes of this discussion. For certain is that idiots don't take it into consideration.

They think that our constitution is the Bill of Rights and the other amendments.

The forget or never knew that the constitution is primarily a document defining how our government is supposed to work.

America's failure to properly prioritize GOOD education is one of the major issues causing the republic's collapse...which is quite clearly in progress right now.
Religious superstitions among the dimmer minds pose another major factor. They're not content to live by their inane beliefs but endeavor to force them into the laws of the land.

Although forums like this one aren't good for much more than venting, they certainly do reveal, in a frightening way,
how stupid so many Americans are.
 
At least 95% of people who want a third party don't know how to situate the proposed party ideologically.
They just don't want Democrats or Republicans.

There are conservatives not content with the Republican Party.

There are progressive liberals not content with the Democratic Party.

Their new parties would be completely different from one another.

Then of course, there are also brain-dead moderates far too timid to support serious change of any kind.

Perhaps we do need a third party, but if we do, we equally need a fourth and possibly fifth or sixth.

Still, how many stupid Americans understand that it we have multiple viable parties, ALL presidential elections going forward would be decided in the House of Representatives?

It doesn't matter if that's good or bad for the proposes of this discussion. For certain is that idiots don't take it into consideration.

They think that our constitution is the Bill of Rights and the other amendments.

The forget or never knew that the constitution is primarily a document defining how our government is supposed to work.

America's failure to properly prioritize GOOD education is one of the major issues causing the republic's collapse...which is quite clearly in progress right now.
Religious superstitions among the dimmer minds pose another major factor. They're not content to live by their inane beliefs but endeavor to force them into the laws of the land.

Although forums like this one aren't good for much more than venting, they certainly do reveal, in a frightening way,
how stupid so many Americans are.

yes.

because popular sources of thought and academia strive to negate the reasonable middle, and present a false dichotomy to humanity at large.

they divide and conquer, with stupidity and oversimplification and avoidance of real discussion.
 
One...the independent vote will NEVER unify under one individual, mostly because the independent vote normally splits among a liberal/conservative continuum.

Two...any independent candidate will sorely hurt either the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate. Each independent candidate will draw almost exclusively from the Democratic Party vote or the Republican Party vote...and almost never equally from both.

The notion of independents getting together to solve the problems currently plaguing our nation is a pipe dream.

Right now people should forget about the candidate as an individual...and vote for the candidate(s) of the party they think best represents the direction in which they want our country to head. YOU WILL NOT GET WHAT YOU WANT, BECAUSE DOING THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE...but at least you will get a direction in which to head.

I am a registered Independent...and as I see it, as things stand today, I will vote for the Democratic Party candidates almost exclusively, because although I see the many faults of that party, it has become obvious to me (and should to you) that the direction the Republican Party has taken is much too similar to the direction of the Nazis of 1930's Germany.

Been telling people that for years but they just shut their brains and yammer NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!

I'm at the point now where, if the Republicans somehow nominated a sane centrist conservative against a Democrat progressive liberal ding-a-ling, I'd vote for the Republican.

Saw Maryland's Republican Governor on TV this morning. He sounds like a guy I could vote for and he's mulling over a possible run.
 
I am a registered Independent...and as I see it, as things stand today, I will vote for the Democratic Party candidates almost exclusively, because although I see the many faults of that party, it has become obvious to me (and should to you) that the direction the Republican Party has taken is much too similar to the direction of the Nazis of 1930's Germany.
How do you feel about WOKE D.A.'S that are softer on criminals than they've ever been and actively try to imprison victims of crime that defend themselves, e.g., Jose Alba and Kyle Rittenhouse? Would you vote for these types over a tough-on-crime D.A. only because the woke d.a. is a democrat?
 
A revolt brings about change. What change did 2016 bring to the people?

A step backward.

C'est lavie!

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One...the independent vote will NEVER unify under one individual, mostly because the independent vote normally splits among a liberal/conservative continuum.

Two...any independent candidate will sorely hurt either the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate. Each independent candidate will draw almost exclusively from the Democratic Party vote or the Republican Party vote...and almost never equally from both.

The notion of independents getting together to solve the problems currently plaguing our nation is a pipe dream.

Right now people should forget about the candidate as an individual...and vote for the candidate(s) of the party they think best represents the direction in which they want our country to head. YOU WILL NOT GET WHAT YOU WANT, BECAUSE DOING THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE...but at least you will get a direction in which to head.

I am a registered Independent...and as I see it, as things stand today, I will vote for the Democratic Party candidates almost exclusively, because although I see the many faults of that party, it has become obvious to me (and should to you) that the direction the Republican Party has taken is much too similar to the direction of the Nazis of 1930's Germany.

See, the major flaw in your analysis is that you don't see the wisdom of building a 3rd party from the ground up. No matter what state, you need the local Independents and people disillusioned with the Democratic Party to start organizing to vote in local party leaders that are NOT part of the political machine. If you are outnumbered by the Dem Party, then follow the example of the Tea Party and how they effectively took over the Republican Party narrative. That's how it's done.
 
Many good points. Let's not forget that the parties of today are not the parties of yesteryear. The Party of Lincoln does not have the same principles and agenda as the Republican Party of today. Same for the Democrats. The parties evolve and both have evolved into the emotional hot divisive mess we see today.

The way to change it is to change the way we vote. If allowed to rank votes, that negates the problem of third party voters.

Example, I voted for Perot in 1992. That divided the Republican vote and Clinton won as a result. If I'd been allowed to rank my votes; Perot first, Bush second, then Bush would have won.

Same for Democrats who voted for Nader in 2000. If they'd ranked their vote Nader first, Gore second, then Gore would have clearly won.

One disagreement.....the DNC and RNC both conspired to change the rules at the 11th hour to keep Nader from the final debate. There will always be a debate as to Nader's chances, but Nader himself stated that the opposing parties were afraid of the national narrative changing by his presence and speeches. Thus the old canard of blaming Nader for "taking votes away" from Gore has a serious flaw in it.
 
Ranked voting...and voting where third parties can nominate major party candidates as their candidate...can be of tremendous help.

Ahh, but would the major party accept a usurper in their midst? What happened to Nader, and more recently to Sanders, suggests not.
 
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the revolt happened in 2016.......you didn't seem to like it......

A "revolt" was what was attempted on Jan. 6th by a bunch of Dump inspired/encouraged yahoos. Dump won the electoral college in 2016...NOT the popular vote (of which he himself said he wasn't interested in winning). Just thought you should know.
 
It is like 1930's Germany...and it is the American conservative Republicans who have made that once proud party into a shit heap, Matt.

It has become the Nazi party of America...the Taliban of America...everything that is wrong with America.

Wish you could see that.

Matty's idiotic, off topic meme is one of the reasons I have him on the ignore list.
 
The lesser of two evils is still evil. We already live in a police state that is paid for with monopoly money. How much longer will that last before a revolt?

Who would be an example of a candidate who is not "evil"?
 
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