Reality check on electric cars

By that standard, an EV is no different from an ICE vehicle. It has 4 wheels and a power source to make it move. The only difference is the materials the power source uses to power the vehicle.
Wrong too. This is cherry picking. The biggest drawback to an EV is the charging time versus fill up. The other big difference is that EV power is not portable. That is, you can't haul along more charge, where with gasoline it's possible to haul extra gallons of fuel in a vehicle.
 
It seems it is you that is using a No True Scotsman fallacy as you claim the only true zero emission vehicle is an EV powered by a lithium battery.
The government is not requiring that all new cars be EVs with lithium batteries. California is saying that by the year 2035 all new cars should be zero emission vehicles.

You might want to look at how hydrogen fuel cells work. They don't combust the fuel to drive a piston like in an ICE car. The fuel cell has an anode and cathode like a battery. A hydrogen fuel cell vehicle uses electrical motors to make the car move. It's an EV.
Emissions have nothing to do with it. Hydrogen or anhydrous ammonia are portable. Battery power is not. How a hydrogen powered vehicle makes power is largely irrelevant to the issue. The issue is that you can fill a hydrogen powered car in minutes like you would with gasoline versus taking hours to charge an EV.

The fatal flaw in EV's is the charging time and the non-portability of the energy source.
 
Emissions have nothing to do with it. Hydrogen or anhydrous ammonia are portable. Battery power is not. How a hydrogen powered vehicle makes power is largely irrelevant to the issue. The issue is that you can fill a hydrogen powered car in minutes like you would with gasoline versus taking hours to charge an EV.

The fatal flaw in EV's is the charging time and the non-portability of the energy source.
Emissions have everything to do with the rules that eliminate ICE vehicles. It allows for any zero emission vehicles and doesn't restrict it to lithium battery EVs. Your argument is based on a fallacy.
 
Wrong too. This is cherry picking. The biggest drawback to an EV is the charging time versus fill up. The other big difference is that EV power is not portable. That is, you can't haul along more charge, where with gasoline it's possible to haul extra gallons of fuel in a vehicle.
That is the disadvantage of the ICE, not the EV. You plug in the ev at night and awaken to a full charge. Since the average person drives 35 miles a day, the charge is a very short time. With an EV you do not need to find an empty pump. You do not have to pump your own gas. You do not have to take time to pay for it. You do not stink up your hands and clothes. You do not have to get oil changed. You do not have to get mufflers replaced. You do not need regular maintenance.
 
That is the disadvantage of the ICE, not the EV. You plug in the ev at night and awaken to a full charge. Since the average person drives 35 miles a day, the charge is a very short time. With an EV you do not need to find an empty pump. You do not have to pump your own gas. You do not have to take time to pay for it. You do not stink up your hands and clothes. You do not have to get oil changed. You do not have to get mufflers replaced. You do not need regular maintenance.
This assumes:

A. You have a charging station of some sort.
B. That you can plug into it.

For something like 40% of the US population they have access to neither. If you live in an urban area and street park, good luck with that. If you live in an apartment complex, same thing. I see no reason for the complex owner(s) to go to the cost and trouble of installing charging stations or dealing with the maintenance of them. It'd be a huge hassle.
With apartment complexes that are ex-condos, there are usually lots of owners who work through a management company. Getting all the owners to agree to the massive cost of installing charging stations is not going to happen. That's particularly true in older complexes in low rent districts where you'd have the additional issues of theft of copper and vandalism going on.

So, what you suggest might work for more affluent middle class homeowners and the rich but the Left's favorites, "people of color" and the low income poor get screwed. Even then, if you want a better charging station installed, it isn't cheap. The quoted average cost is $2,200. I'd bet it's closer to $4,000 today unless you happen to know somebody.

As for maintenance, EV's still have that such as far more frequent tire changes with the tires being far more expensive. In New Jersey, you are not allowed to pump your own gas... State law. Weird huh?

Mufflers? I've never replaced a muffler on a vehicle post- 1980. They outlast the vehicle. In the one case where I did have to do something with the exhaust, it was because the secondary catalytic converter on my 2001 Nissan Frontier was stolen. I didn't do an insurance claim and had it straight piped at a shop for $40 (less than the deductible so I'd have paid either way). By the way, I doubt you could keep an EV running in good condition for 23 years and spend less than $5,000 in maintenance costs on it. Water pump went out at about 120,000. It was about $120 for a new one and four hours of my time to replace it. 12 10mm bolts... Biggest expense was last year, $2,200 to replace all the front end suspension components that were totally worn out.
 
This assumes:

A. You have a charging station of some sort.
B. That you can plug into it.

For something like 40% of the US population they have access to neither. If you live in an urban area and street park, good luck with that. If you live in an apartment complex, same thing. I see no reason for the complex owner(s) to go to the cost and trouble of installing charging stations or dealing with the maintenance of them. It'd be a huge hassle.
With apartment complexes that are ex-condos, there are usually lots of owners who work through a management company. Getting all the owners to agree to the massive cost of installing charging stations is not going to happen. That's particularly true in older complexes in low rent districts where you'd have the additional issues of theft of copper and vandalism going on.

So, what you suggest might work for more affluent middle class homeowners and the rich but the Left's favorites, "people of color" and the low income poor get screwed. Even then, if you want a better charging station installed, it isn't cheap. The quoted average cost is $2,200. I'd bet it's closer to $4,000 today unless you happen to know somebody.

As for maintenance, EV's still have that such as far more frequent tire changes with the tires being far more expensive. In New Jersey, you are not allowed to pump your own gas... State law. Weird huh?

Mufflers? I've never replaced a muffler on a vehicle post- 1980. They outlast the vehicle. In the one case where I did have to do something with the exhaust, it was because the secondary catalytic converter on my 2001 Nissan Frontier was stolen. I didn't do an insurance claim and had it straight piped at a shop for $40 (less than the deductible so I'd have paid either way). By the way, I doubt you could keep an EV running in good condition for 23 years and spend less than $5,000 in maintenance costs on it. Water pump went out at about 120,000. It was about $120 for a new one and four hours of my time to replace it. 12 10mm bolts... Biggest expense was last year, $2,200 to replace all the front end suspension components that were totally worn out.
I have electricity in my garage. I have not bought a charging station.
Why do you think a specific incident from a person like you matters? We are talking about the nation, not your "Nissan". My Volt is a 2015 and all I had to replace was a heater coil and 2 tires.
 
I have electricity in my garage. I have not bought a charging station.
Why do you think a specific incident from a person like you matters? We are talking about the nation, not your "Nissan". My Volt is a 2015 and all I had to replace was a heater coil and 2 tires.
Let me know when it runs another 12 years without major issues or a battery replacement. That's my 3rd Frontier, and all of them were almost trouble free for 125,000+ miles and decades of operation.
 
Let me know when it runs another 12 years without major issues or a battery replacement. That's my 3rd Frontier, and all of them were almost trouble free for 125,000+ miles and decades of operation.
Do you understand that saying because of one car which may be a lie, does not prove the whole? If it is true, it is meaningless. It would require so much more data. I get tired of talking to people like you. This is a simple thing to understand. Your argument is terrible even if it is true. But we do not know that either.
 
I'm not entirely certain I understand this post. How does buying gasoline make you "free" while using electricity means you are controlled?
Mobility is easier with gasoline. It takes a few minutes to fill up a gas tank, thus a vehicle's "range" is effectively unlimited (so long as the vehicle is in working order). Meanwhile, with electricity, it takes HOURS to "fill up" a battery "tank", thus a vehicle's "range" is limited because it takes a much longer time to refuel it. That's why people usually fall asleep while they're waiting for it to refuel (it takes so long!)
Are you suggesting that just regular folks are able to go out and drill for their own oil and brew up some gasoline in the kitchen to drive their cars with? Or is there something else I'm missing.
You're missing A LOT apparently...
Also on the matter of "pocket full of cash", unless you mean a pocket full of gold bars you are still using a "controlled" currency. You can't make your own and have to work to get the cash.

If you could explain this to me it would be much appreciated.
With a "physical dollar", transactions via that currency between individuals stay out of the government's sight. For example, they would be completely unaware of the fact that I gave Farmer Joe $400 for 100lbs of his ground beef. However, with a "digital dollar", literally every single transaction involving that "dollar" is traceable and known by the government. If I gave Farmer Joe $400 "digital dollars" for 100lbs of his ground beef, the government would be well aware of it.

This means that, if the government doesn't want people purchasing an "unapproved amount" of ground beef, then the government could EASILY impose a "freeze" on people's bank accounts if they didn't comply with the "government approved rationing" of ground beef. This gets into the "Canada trucker" comment that Lionfish made to you.

Ergo, gasoline and physical cash are "freedom" while EVs and digital cash are "slavery".
 
That is the disadvantage of the ICE, not the EV.
Wrong. Shorter refueling time is an ICE advantage, not an EV one. Same goes for portable fuel. Gasoline can be carried around in gas cans. Electricity cannot be carried around in electricity cans.
You plug in the ev at night and awaken to a full charge.
Yup. It takes SOOOOO damn LOOOOOONG to refuel that you fall asleep while waiting for the damn thing to refuel.
Since the average person drives 35 miles a day, the charge is a very short time.
The charge time is the same regardless of how many miles a day the average person drives. Driving is not refueling.
With an EV you do not need to find an empty pump.
Right. You need to find an empty charging station instead.
You do not have to pump your own gas.
Right. You have to "pump your own electricity" instead.
You do not have to take time to pay for it.
You'll be in trouble with "Johnny Law" if you don't pay for your electricity. I highly suggest that you pay for it instead.
You do not stink up your hands and clothes.
Apparently you're not very good at refueling a gasoline vehicle then if you're spilling the gas on yourself instead of putting it into your vehicle.
You do not have to get oil changed.
Yes, you do, but I already know that you don't maintain your vehicle (see below).
You do not have to get mufflers replaced.
I've never once had to replace a muffler. They generally last for the life of the vehicle.
You do not need regular maintenance.
I already know that you don't maintain your vehicle. It would last much longer if you did.
 

Tesla’s Model Y has a 100,000-mile maintenance cost estimate between $8,250 for base trims and $15,000 for the performance trim. This does not include repairs. By comparison, a Toyota Highlander in the Car Talk fleet had a 100,000-mile maintenance and repair cost of $14,029. A Honda Accord had a 100,000-mile maintenance and repair cost of $7,684. If there is a cost advantage to Tesla with regard to maintenance and repair, we cannot find it.



So, the costs of maintenance are similar overall between ICE vehicles and EV's. The big difference is in wait times for maintenance and repairs...




There's no comparison. With ICE vehicles, repairs and maintenance take a few hours to a few days depending on what's being done. With Teslas and EV's the wait is measured in weeks and months. Sure, the costs may be comparable, but the inconvenience of being without your vehicle for weeks or months is a staggering cost.
 
Tesla’s Model Y has a 100,000-mile maintenance cost estimate between $8,250 for base trims and $15,000 for the performance trim. This does not include repairs. By comparison, a Toyota Highlander in the Car Talk fleet had a 100,000-mile maintenance and repair cost of $14,029. A Honda Accord had a 100,000-mile maintenance and repair cost of $7,684. If there is a cost advantage to Tesla with regard to maintenance and repair, we cannot find it.



So, the costs of maintenance are similar overall between ICE vehicles and EV's. The big difference is in wait times for maintenance and repairs...




There's no comparison. With ICE vehicles, repairs and maintenance take a few hours to a few days depending on what's being done. With Teslas and EV's the wait is measured in weeks and months. Sure, the costs may be comparable, but the inconvenience of being without your vehicle for weeks or months is a staggering cost.
Where do you get your info, Lies are us? No mufflers, no filters, no oil to change, no transmissions, Maintenance is less than half for EVs, https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/EV-Ownership-Cost-Final-Report-1.pdf
 
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