Reality: Homosexual Marriage

WinterBorn said:
As I said at the outset, to only allow marriage between people who are considered "normal" is to require that all follow the majority.
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/shrugs....and I say, if abnormal people want to "marry", fuck em.....I see no reason to change the definition of marriage to pretend their abnormal behavior is anything besides abnormal behavior......

Damo's examples showed that what is abnormal is still often acceptable.
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so do we change laws to provide that albinos are no longer people without skin pigmentation?......to provide that skilled musicians no longer play better than anyone else?.....why do we pretend that people with abnormal sexual inclinations have normal ones?......
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
yes, do you need a visual aide?


lol, and I supposed that the fact that cancer is widespread tells us that cancer cells are not abnormal?....


yes.....
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You are wanting a single standard for all. That does not fit, even nature.

No, I do not need a visual aid. But the fact that you are trying to fall back on what nature "built" us for is laughable. How much of what we do, on a daily basis, would fit that same standard?

Given that as much as 10% of the population is gay, it is not any more abnormal than many other things that are allowed in marriages.
 
WinterBorn said:
It is not so abnormal that it is unexpected in the species.

And its odd that this standard is the only abnormality that causes them to be denied the benefits of marriage between consenting adults.
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"Marriage" is a man made (not natural) condition, it was established as a means for two adults to procreate and produce a family, and has traditionally been between a male and female because of its fundamental purpose. You are asking for a change that is counter-intuitive to the fundamental purpose of marriage. In other words, you are asking for the absurd.

And it is "abnormal" in the species, and "unexpected" as well. It only occurs in about 14% of humans, to the best of our observations. You asked how we define "normal" and I told you, now you want to argue that it's not "that" abnormal.... but science doesn't delineate between things that are various degrees of "abnormal" ...just things that ARE or ARE NOT abnormal.
 
WinterBorn said:
You are wanting a single standard for all. That does not fit, even nature.

No, I do not need a visual aid. But the fact that you are trying to fall back on what nature "built" us for is laughable. How much of what we do, on a daily basis, would fit that same standard?

Given that as much as 10% of the population is gay, it is not any more abnormal than many other things that are allowed in marriages.
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obviously it is abnormal.....though for a variety of strange reasons those on the left choose to ignore reality......and that's what this thread was about, wasn't it?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
/shrugs....and I say, if abnormal people want to "marry", fuck em.....I see no reason to change the definition of marriage to pretend their abnormal behavior is anything besides abnormal behavior......



so do we change laws to provide that albinos are no longer people without skin pigmentation?......to provide that skilled musicians no longer play better than anyone else?.....why do we pretend that people with abnormal sexual inclinations have normal ones?......
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I get that you say "fuck'em". And I have no problem with you saying that. What I have a problem with is the gov't saying "fuck'em". Now you can try and argue that "we" are the gov't. But I can say "fuck'em" to people who want to own guns, maintain their privacy and even those who wish to have children. But it does not mean that the gov't can say that. Tyranny by majority is still tyranny.

As for your albino question, that is purely a strawman. No one is saying we change that straights can marry or chaange anything about their marriage. No one is saying anything that will change what straight marriage involves.

Homosexuality is not just about having sex, it is about who you have for a mate and who you love.
 
WinterBorn said:
How much of what we do, on a daily basis, would fit that same standard?
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probably quite a bit....and whatever abnormal things you choose to do on a daily basis is your business.....until you try to pass a law that requires me to treat it as normal.....then you're going to get an argument.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
obviously it is abnormal.....though for a variety of strange reasons those on the left choose to ignore reality......and that's what this thread was about, wasn't it?......
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Obviously it is not the majority. But it is not so rare as to be unheard of or outside the standards of normal for society.

This thread has devolved into a number of things.

But the fact that every other abnormality we have is allowed to marry another consenting adult shows this is not about "normal" but about anti-homosexuality.

The fact that someone on death row can marry and gain the benefits from the gov't, that so many straight marriages end in divorce or involve domestic violence, that all manner of freaks are allowed to walk into a Justice of the Peace and gain the benefits from the gov't, shows this to be about anti-gay rather than about abnormal.
 
WinterBorn said:
Now you can try and argue that "we" are the gov't.
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a pretty obvious "win" of an argument, as arguments go.......

As for your albino question, that is purely a strawman.
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so, did it become a strawman when I anwered Damo's post or when he posted it?.....

No one is saying we change that straights can marry or chaange anything about their marriage. No one is saying anything that will change what straight marriage involves.

Homosexuality is not just about having sex, it is about who you have for a mate and who you love.
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so what?....I'm not saying they can't love anyone they want.....I'm just saying I reject the law telling me what I must consider to be normal.....marriage between two heterosexuals is normal, marriage between two people of the same sex is not......I don't care if two men consider themselves married, I just care whether the law requires me to agree with them......
 
Dixie said:
Then why is a little piece of paper issued by a state important???
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It is about having the same benefits as everyone else has, for the same type relationship. You want to focus on whether the gonads are the same or different. I want to focus on the relationship.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
probably quite a bit....and whatever abnormal things you choose to do on a daily basis is your business.....until you try to pass a law that requires me to treat it as normal.....then you're going to get an argument.....
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I could be wrong, but I don't think it's a matter of YOU accepting it as normal as much as it is GOVERNMENT treating it as equal. that equal protection under the laws thing and all.
 
WinterBorn said:
Obviously it is not the majority. But it is not so rare as to be unheard of or outside the standards of normal for society.
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of course it is....

This thread has devolved into a number of things.

But the fact that every other abnormality we have is allowed to marry another consenting adult shows this is not about "normal" but about anti-homosexuality.
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a silly argument....an albino can marry a person of the opposite sex because that would be normal......a person cannot say they are albino if they are not, it would make no sense......just as it would make no sense for two men to say they are married......you want it to be about "anti-homosexuality" because then you can drop us in the corner and forget about us because we're just "homophobes".....and that is what this thread is about, bringing liberals back to reality....
The fact that someone on death row can marry and gain the benefits from the gov't, that so many straight marriages end in divorce or involve domestic violence, that all manner of freaks are allowed to walk into a Justice of the Peace and gain the benefits from the gov't, shows this to be about anti-gay rather than about abnormal.
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why should we give government benefits applicable to "marriage" to people who can't marry?.......should we give government benefits to people who just live together as roommates?......how about men and women who choose not to marry?.......isn't the law unfair to them as well?.....should we redefine marriage to include the not married?.....
 
This is what you'll get with gay marriage:

According to the 2010 Southern Maine Pride website, Home Depot signed on as a major sponsor of its 2010 Gay Pride events. But simply financing and marching in the parade wasn't enough for the big box chain.

Home Depot also signed on as a "festival" vendor, conducting Kid's Craft Workshops for children in the midst of loud and boisterous gay activities.

To this end, Home Depot is basically encouraging the attendance of children at events which openly expose them to transvestites, cross-dressers, and homosexual activists.
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from an email
 
SmarterThanYou said:
I could be wrong, but I don't think it's a matter of YOU accepting it as normal as much as it is GOVERNMENT treating it as equal. that equal protection under the laws thing and all.
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you're right, you're wrong......it's about using the government to force all of us to treat it as equal.....equal things are entitled to equal protection.....the left wants us to treat the abnormal as equal to the normal.....
 
SmarterThanYou said:
not so fast, totalitarian. I'm providing you YOUR distinction, not mine. soldiers and terrorists are all human beings, despite that you think otherwise.


just like it's ok to lynch black people, or harass brown people, relocate non white native americans, etc.

is that what i need to understand? that there are two classes of people? those with rights than can be removed and those without rights?
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1. OK so you've reversed yourself. Please decide what position you'll take and state same.
2. Awesome straw man dude! I say behavior, then you say race. Are you a TaiChiLiberal troll?
 
WinterBorn said:
It is about having the same benefits as everyone else has, for the same type relationship. You want to focus on whether the gonads are the same or different. I want to focus on the relationship.
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Benefits are establishments of law, this can be done without disturbing the tradition of marriage, and has been proposed as "civil unions" but you aren't interested in that. If your focus were on the relationship, this would be a non-issue. What you are focused on, is destroying a religious institution that you don't feel deserves any respect, because you are not religious. Let's at least be honest about your motivations here.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you're right, you're wrong......it's about using the government to force all of us to treat it as equal.....equal things are entitled to equal protection.....the left wants us to treat the abnormal as equal to the normal.....
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then by all means, we should institutionalize all the retarded and autistic people in our country so we don't have to treat them equally. Same with liberals and greens because they damn sure aren't normal.
 
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