Reclaiming Fallujah from ISIS

Iran and the Shite militias are doing the dirty work this time,
and i'm sure the Sunni are either happy to be liberated or loathing the arrival of the Shi'a..depending

That's kind of it. If and when the Shia route ISIS things will settle down for a week or so. Then the Shia will have a go at the Sunni and around we go.

It's politically incorrect to utter it, but Islam is the worst thing to ever happen to that part of the world.
 
That's kind of it. If and when the Shia route ISIS things will settle down for a week or so. Then the Shia will have a go at the Sunni and around we go.

It's politically incorrect to utter it, but Islam is the worst thing to ever happen to that part of the world.

My Iraqi Christian friend, of long standing, would point out that Sunni and Shi'a used to get along well enough even to the point of intermarrying.
 
That's kind of it. If and when the Shia route ISIS things will settle down for a week or so. Then the Shia will have a go at the Sunni and around we go.

It's politically incorrect to utter it, but Islam is the worst thing to ever happen to that part of the world.

The insertion of Israel into the heart of Islamic territory/culture was by far the worst thing possible for the Middle East. The second worse thing was giving it blanket military and diplomatic support. The third worse thing is attacking its enemies on its behalf.
 
The insertion of Israel into the heart of Islamic territory/culture was by far the worst thing possible for the Middle East. The second worse thing was giving it blanket military and diplomatic support. The third worse thing is attacking its enemies on its behalf.

Well, that's a dandy isnt it lol?

What is it about Islamic culture that makes it so virulently anti-Israel? Territory wise, Israel is a tiny strip of land that is dwarfed by its Islamic neighbors.

Are you implying intolerance on the part Israel's neighbors?
 
That's kind of it. If and when the Shia route ISIS things will settle down for a week or so. Then the Shia will have a go at the Sunni and around we go.

It's politically incorrect to utter it, but Islam is the worst thing to ever happen to that part of the world.

Ramadi’s Dirty Little Secret in the War Against ISIS
http://www.newsweek.com/ramadi-mosu...nni-baghdad-iran-iraqi-security-forces-407085
American commanders have been hailing the advance of the retrained Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) on Ramadi, the key city where they were easily routed some 18 months ago by marauding fighters of the Islamic State militant group (ISIS).

But what they aren’t saying—and are loath to concede, according to well-informed military sources in Washington—is that the security forces of the Iran-backed regime in Baghdad largely consist of Shiite fighters in league with murderous militias that have slaughtered innocent Sunnis after ousting ISIS militants from Tikrit and other battlegrounds in the past year. Ramadi is the capital of the Sunni-dominated Anbar province, and the Shiites are ready to pounce.....
 
Ramadi’s Dirty Little Secret in the War Against ISIS
http://www.newsweek.com/ramadi-mosu...nni-baghdad-iran-iraqi-security-forces-407085
American commanders have been hailing the advance of the retrained Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) on Ramadi, the key city where they were easily routed some 18 months ago by marauding fighters of the Islamic State militant group (ISIS).

But what they aren’t saying—and are loath to concede, according to well-informed military sources in Washington—is that the security forces of the Iran-backed regime in Baghdad largely consist of Shiite fighters in league with murderous militias that have slaughtered innocent Sunnis after ousting ISIS militants from Tikrit and other battlegrounds in the past year. Ramadi is the capital of the Sunni-dominated Anbar province, and the Shiites are ready to pounce.....

So what the fuck should they do then, just let Daesh get on with it?
 
Well, that's a dandy isnt it lol?

What is it about Islamic culture that makes it so virulently anti-Israel? Territory wise, Israel is a tiny strip of land that is dwarfed by its Islamic neighbors.

You're mistaken. Israel has occupied more than two-thirds of historic Palestine- illegally. Nobody gets to be immune from the law because they're SMALL anyway. Wtf are you trying to sell ? Midget immunity ?
 
So what the fuck should they do then, just let Daesh get on with it?
obviously not. Things are beyond US management. about the best we can do is rollback daesh, and let the sectarian bloodletting continue..
there's really not a lot of good options left.
 
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Iraqi military forces prepare for an offensive into Fallujah

notice the Iraqi flags..no Shi'a banners either.. are they some kind of armored personnel carriers?
 
The advance on Fallujah has slowed, and Iraq’s Shiite militias want to step in
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-world:homepage/card
Only a few days ago, the Islamic State ruled this verdant Iraqi farmland. By Saturday, the area was firmly controlled by powerful Shiite militias, which delivered swift blows to the Sunni extremists and severed their supply lines to nearby Fallujah.

Iraq’s government has ordered the militiamen to stay away from the battle to drive the Islamic State out of Fallujah, fearing further sectarian unrest from their presence inside the Sunni stronghold.

The assault on the city — a key test in the U.S.-supported campaign to oust the Islamic State from Iraq — is being led by the military, police and elite counterterrorism forces. But their progress has slowed, and Shiite militia leaders on the outskirts here, such as Hadi al-Amiri, appear antsy.

He wants to send in the Iranian-backed fighters of his Badr Organization, which he commands.

“No one can stop us from going there,” Amiri said Saturday at a commandeered farmhouse about a mile west of Fallujah.


Such a move into Fallujah could cause serious problems. In early 2014, the Islamic State easily took control of the city by exploiting the anger of its residents against the Shiite-dominated government in Baghdad.

And Sunni leaders from the area, in Iraq’s western Anbar province, have expressed extreme discomfort with the presence of the militias. Human rights groups have accused Shiite militiamen of brutal treatment of Sunnis suspected of ties to the Islamic State.

Iraqi Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi has vowed to address Sunni grievances, which include allegations of neglect and discrimination by authorities. And the Iraqi military has ordered most of the militias — formally called the popular mobilization units — to keep out of Fallujah. The units are mostly Shiite groups, some of them backed by Iran, but they also include smaller outfits of Sunnis, Christians and other religions.

But soldiers and police say they have struggled to fight their way into Fallujah. The Islamic State has used the estimated 50,000 or more civilians still trapped there in dire conditions as human shields, and a sudden advance could inflict many casualties.

“In this battle, Daesh has really focused on using human shields as a tactic because we have adapted to their other tactics,” said Maj. Gen. Thamir Ismael, the area commander for the SWAT police force. Daesh is the Arabic acronym for the Islamic State, also known as ISIL and ISIS.

Amiri’s men have momentum, though, and they appear eager to join the assault on the city. In an interview, the 61-year-old Amiri gave a 10-day deadline for civilians to leave Fallujah. Then the militiamen, along with pro-government tribal militants, federal police and soldiers, would prepare to storm it, he said.

“Right now, the only thing that is stopping us from going there are civilians,” he said.


Wearing a hat and khaki pants, he directed operations against the few pockets of Islamic State fighters still left in the Fallujah suburb of Saqlawiyah. His fighters and Iraqi police watched in deference as he ordered a bulldozer to drive ahead of fighters to protect them from possible Islamic State suicide bombers.

“Hurry up so we can finish our job here,” he said over a two-way radio.

As he spoke, the thuds of exploding artillery and the cackle of machine-gun fire could be heard in the background. Militiamen, unfazed by the sounds of war around them, took smoke breaks and feasted on rice and lamb.

In nearby fields, the fighters fired mortars and Katyusha rockets at Saqlawiyah, where an unknown number of civilians are thought to be residing. Dozens of families fled the area on Saturday. Officials in the area planned to house them in a nearby camp for displaced people.

Amiri’s tough statements underscore the strength that the militias have in Iraq. And Amiri has become one of the most powerful men in that country.

After the military collapsed during the Islamic State offensive in June 2014, the militias stepped in, blunting the extremist group’s advance. As a result, many Iraqis view them as heroes.

But their rising power has alarmed many others in Iraq and officials in the United States, who fear that they have undermined Abadi’s authority. U.S. coalition aircraft refuse to provide air cover for militias such as Amiri’s. They limit airstrikes to operations that involve Iraqi soldiers and counterterror forces.

At the moment, Amiri’s fighters appear to have little need for U.S air cover. Scores of vehicles rumbled down dirt roads that the Badr fighters and other militiamen cleared in recent days, sometimes using hand-to-hand combat.

Despite facing intense resistance, including snipers and suicide attacks, they rapidly drove Islamic State militants out of areas west of Fallujah. The attack cut the city off from Saqlawiyah, depriving the Islamic State of supplies of food, water and weapons.
 
Qasem Soleimani (Quds force) confirmed by Iraqi minister as being in Fallujah with blessings of Iraaqi govt
http://www.debka.com/article/25444/Iran’s-Soleimani-leads-US-backed-attack-on-Fallujah

For months, US President Barack Obama and the Pentagon opposed the participation by pro-Iranian militias in the war against ISIS in Iraq.
The main objection were to the Popular Mobilization Army commanded by Iranian Gen. Abu Mahdi al Muhandis who has been named as a “specially designated global terrorist” by Washington.
The US was also against the Badr Organization (formerly the Badr Brigade) commanded by Hadi Al-Amiri from Iran’s Al Qods Brigades. These militias slaughtered the Sunni residents of cities that they recaptured from ISIS during the last year. As a result, many Sunni Iraqis preferred to be ruled by ISIS, and did not trust the coalition of US, Baghdad and Tehran.
But on May 22, with the start of the Iraqi attack on Fallujah, the capital of Anbar province in western Iraq, it became clear that the participation of pro-Iranian forces is no longer taboo for the US.
Even though Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi announced that 35,000 Iraqi troops launched an attack to liberate Fallujah from ISIS, debkafile’s military and intelligence sources report that most of these forces are not participating in the assault.
It is spearheaded by the Popular Mobilization Army and the Badr Organization, and they are under the direct command of Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani, head of Iranian forces in Iraq and Syria, who is operating from a field command center.
The US air force is helping Soleimani’s attempt to capture Fallujah
 
Why do so few of you seem to overlook that we are not fighting against a nation, city or region? We are fighting against an ideology that might pop up just anywhere. It's called religious fundamentalism. Kill the religious fundamentalism from wherever you find it and the warring factions will disappear on their own. Think about that before you spew your ignorance of religion and history.

Changing the religious beliefs of an entire population is an absurdly expansive goal that would require direct rule for generations and oppressive measures to accomplish.
 
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A little surprised there is still ISIS presence in Fallujah. They are totally surrounded and cutoff from the rest of ISIS hundreds of miles in any direction. The Iraqi army has already wrapped up everything from Haditha to Ramadi.
 
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