Religions are mostly wrong

Without religion to keep humans in check, we would still be celebrating watching humans thrown to the lions and gladiator fights to the death in arenas halfwit.

Of course, leftist maggots want to go back to the dark ages with their windmills and solar projects and by destroying faith and families.

All humans of good conscience and intelligence reject what leftist maggots have to offer. It is malaise, failure and mediocrity; you being the best example of all three.

Dumb.
 
Okay, I'll wait for you to unpack. Here's a question for you; what is better, a society that has religious faith, or one who is narcissistic and has no beliefs or moral guidance whatsoever?

I generally have only heard conservatives talk this way. That without religion, society would devolve - because we need it to give us guidance on what is right & wrong, good & evil.

I know what's right & wrong. Most do. It actually concerns me that some NEED religion to define those things.

But regardless, even if religion is needed somehow (which I would disagree with) - that says nothing about whether a religion is valid, or iwhether the texts that it is based on are correct. It's a different argument entirely. From what you seem to be arguing, a religion could be totally fabricated and wrong - but it doesn't matter, because it gives the people a moral guide.
 
I am amused that you think I give a shit what BP is. Much less what you are. :laugh:
So, what you're saying is that you don't realize much of anything. Thanks for the clarification dumbass demented dunce. :laugh:
Run along you sad, pathetic little mental case. I don't argue with morons. I point at them and laugh.
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Trump Dummy triggered.

What if BP was a Tranny? Would you care then, Trump Dummy? Would you get a chubby if you thought BP was a transexual?

Not saying that at all, but I understand why a bitter, POS geezer like yourself would believe that's true.

The fact you want me to leave proves your weakness, Trump Dummy. You're afraid. You're fearful. I understand, old man. I've seen people like you before.
 
Back to your Perry PhD persona?

You don't seem to like to discuss any topic you talk about. It really seems to bother you. I am, however fascinated at how you can complain about me being passive aggressive whenever you get in a snit, but I'm never allowed to so much as point out that you are thin skinned.

Funny how double standards work, isn't it? Especially when one lacks that critical self-awareness.
 
You don't seem to like to discuss any topic you talk about. It really seems to bother you. I am, however fascinated at how you can complain about me being passive aggressive whenever you get in a snit, but I'm never allowed to so much as point out that you are thin skinned.

Funny how double standards work, isn't it? Especially when one lacks that critical self-awareness.
Perry, it's clear you were bullied as a child. If you are really as intelligent and educated as you purport, why are you perpetuating the cycle of bullying?
 
I generally have only heard conservatives talk this way. That without religion, society would devolve - because we need it to give us guidance on what is right & wrong, good & evil.

You've got it backwards, before religion, we were barbarians who thought throwing Christians and slaves into an arena with lions was entertaining. Imagine a society that has no guilt, no beliefs of hell or heaven and therefore, can act anyway its elites think.

I know what's right & wrong. Most do. It actually concerns me that some NEED religion to define those things.

Knowing what's right and wrong is not inherent, it is taught. So where did you get this notion of what is right and what is wrong?

But regardless, even if religion is needed somehow (which I would disagree with) - that says nothing about whether a religion is valid, or iwhether the texts that it is based on are correct. It's a different argument entirely. From what you seem to be arguing, a religion could be totally fabricated and wrong - but it doesn't matter, because it gives the people a moral guide.

It's not that religion is "needed", but rather, necessary for civilized societies.
 
If you really look at most of them, so many of the tenets & principles are from a "human" perspective, and tie into human emotions like fear & hate, and also human reactions to that, like worship & sacrifice.

It always begs the question: why do we put SO much on words that were written by ancient peoples, who had no understanding of the world or universe around them, and were largely ruled by fear & superstition? I mean, just looking at the Bible - it's a mess of contradictions. And God is sometimes portrayed as this immature, easy-to-anger being, who is all kinds of sensitive and needs to be adored & worshipped all the time.

It doesn't take a big leap of logic to realize that a timeless being wouldn't be like that. Even most who have lived long lives aren't like that.

There is a basic undercurrent through all of the religions that is probably the truth - and that is love. But the rest of it deserves more scrutiny. I believe that organized religion holds us back as a civilization, and often keeps us from realizing the truth about who we are, and why we are here.


This from the guy who puts all his faith in the philosophic thoughts of ancient guys with a similar level of scientific acumen.
 
You don't seem to like to discuss any topic you talk about. It really seems to bother you. I am, however fascinated at how you can complain about me being passive aggressive whenever you get in a snit, but I'm never allowed to so much as point out that you are thin skinned.

Funny how double standards work, isn't it? Especially when one lacks that critical self-awareness.

If the Jewish scripture in the Old Testament really bothered you so much on principle alone, have you ever approached a Jewish coworker or Jewish neighbor and demanded they defend Job or Genesis?
 
Knowing what's right and wrong is not inherent, it is taught. So where did you get this notion of what is right and what is wrong?

It's not that religion is "needed", but rather, necessary for civilized societies.

Mostly, not always. Mixed: common sense and cultural indoctrination.

Disagreed. Social agreement is needed, not religion.
 
If the Jewish scripture in the Old Testament really bothered you so much on principle alone, have you ever approached a Jewish coworker or Jewish neighbor and demanded they defend Job or Genesis?

I actually LOVE the book of Job. It is a wonderful story of how faith can work or the challenges faith has for people like me.

I am fascinated at how you really dislike it when I mention anything theologically problematic about the O.T. I have said on numerous occasions now that there's a lot of good in the Bible along with a lot of theologically problematic stuff as well.

It seems you have some difficulty with that sort of view of the Bible. I certainly don't want to insult your faith. I thought with all your reading on various religious traditions you would be able to handle some disagreement on concepts.
 
I actually LOVE the book of Job. It is a wonderful story of how faith can work or the challenges faith has for people like me.

I am fascinated at how you really dislike it when I mention anything theologically problematic about the O.T. I have said on numerous occasions now that there's a lot of good in the Bible along with a lot of theologically problematic stuff as well.

It seems you have some difficulty with that sort of view of the Bible. I certainly don't want to insult your faith. I thought with all your reading on various religious traditions you would be able to handle some disagreement on concepts.

So the answer is NO, in spite of relentlessly complaining about the Jewish scripture in the OT, you've never held Jewish people accountable for it...only christians.

I think the honest truth is that you hate only one specific world religion, and that is primarily because you had a bad experience with Christianity.

That means you actually are an anti-Christian zealot, not a principled atheist
 
I think the honest truth is that you hate only one specific world religion, and that is primarily because you had a bad experience with Christianity.

You are free to make up whatever you wish. I wish you could discuss religion more dispassionately.

That means you actually are an anti-Christian zealot, not a principled atheist

You are free to make up whatever falsehoods you like about me. It doesn't change my point.

Why do you deny that I find good things in the Bible?
 
You are free to make up whatever you wish. I wish you could discuss religion more dispassionately.



You are free to make up whatever falsehoods you like about me. It doesn't change my point.

Why do you deny that I find good things in the Bible?

I've been watching for you to bash the Jews for the scripture in the Old Testament, or to launch diatribes against Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Daoism. But I haven't seen a shred of evidence for it.

Are you actually a detached and principled atheist? Or did you just have some bad experience with some church, leading to a lingering grudge against Christianity?
 
I've been watching for you to bash the Jews for the scripture in the Old Testament, or to launch diatribes against Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Daoism. But I haven't seen a shred of evidence for it.

Then you don't read very closely. That's why you only ever quote other people but seem unable to synthesize the information.

Are you actually a detached and principled atheist? Or did you just have some bad experience with some church, leading to a lingering grudge against Christianity?

Would it matter what I said? You'd probably just insist on insulting me some more.

I'm most surprised that the main person you seem to like the most is that hate machine that is Doc Dutch. You seem to really dig his vile actions. I suspect you lack principles of any sort.
 
Then you don't read very closely. That's why you only ever quote other people but seem unable to synthesize the information.



Would it matter what I said? You'd probably just insist on insulting me some more.

I'm most surprised that the main person you seem to like the most is that hate machine that is Doc Dutch. You seem to really dig his vile actions. I suspect you lack principles of any sort.

Good point. Doc Dutch is the biggest hate troll on the forum. Cypress is the only person who talks to him. All one needs to know about Cypress.
 
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