Rep Ryan kicked some serious ass

ZappasGuitar said:
COULD. YOU. POSSIBLY. BE. A. BIGGER. DOUCHE.

DIDN'T. THINK. SO.
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I don't know about Damo, but I could certainly take this to whole new levels of douchebaggery. Failing that, I could still turn to my roommate who is a professional douchebag.

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ZappasGuitar said:
Well, for starters, you could apologize for acting like the aforementioned douche...naaah, forget that...we all know no one apologizes around here.
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LOL. An apology might be forthcoming if I regretted my action. I don't. After repeating something thirty times to the exact same person it sometimes takes drastic methods to get them to "hear" you.
 
NigelTufnel said:
I was informed that Rep. Ryan offered solutions at yesterday's summit. I asked for examples. I was told that his solution was "start over." I pointed out that "start over" is not a solution, which it isn't.

What solutions did he offer yesterday? I was told he offered some. What are they?

And Rep Ryan wasn't really shut out of the process. The House bill went through the committee that he is ranking member of. Hearings were held where he had every opportunity to present his case. He offered amendments to the bill which were voted on by the committee. That's how the process works.
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Listen yourself Nigel.
 
HAHAHAHA, the left will never get it, believe me and if the reconciliation goes through, we can say bye-bye to the Democratic party.

Damocles said:
People do not want it. That's just stupid. Seriously.

People want reform, but not THIS BILL. This bill is not the end-all, be-all of all reform and no other thing could possibly ever reform anything ever again.

Seriously.

I'll say it slow, so you and the rest of the democrats can understand.

POLL. AFTER. POLL. AFTER. POLL. HAS. SHOWN. THAT. PEOPLE. HATE. THIS. BILL. MORE. EACH. TIME. THE. DEMOCRATS. TRY. AGAIN. TO. EXPLAIN. HOW. GOOD. IT. WILL. BE. FOR. THEM.

They hate this bill, this bill is hated.

I hope you get it. A new bill is the only viable option.
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NigelTufnel said:
So none. "Start over" is not a solution.
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this is the biggest bunch of bullshit out there.....

you guys bitch about compromise and bridging the gap, yet you refuse to actually do what you bitch about.

why don't you just be honest and say:

fuck the republicans, fuck the american people, we don't give a shit and we want to keep these bills we worked on behind closed doors. all that live television show "bipartisan talks" was complete bullshit. if we don't get our way, fuck you.

that would be honest
 
Yurt said:
this is the biggest bunch of bullshit out there.....

you guys bitch about compromise and bridging the gap, yet you refuse to actually do what you bitch about.

why don't you just be honest and say:

fuck the republicans, fuck the american people, we don't give a shit and we want to keep these bills we worked on behind closed doors. all that live television show "bipartisan talks" was complete bullshit. if we don't get our way, fuck you.

that would be honest
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Amen!
 
Taichiliberal said:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/02/rep_paul_ryan_rationing_happen.html#comments
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he brings up an interesting point.....

So what I’m saying is that rather than having government ration care to manage decline, let’s take those market signals that work in every sector of the economy to reduce cost and improve competition. I got Lasik in 2000. That’s a cash surgery. It cost me $2,000 an eye. Since then, it’s been revolutionized three times and now costs $800 an eye. This sector isn’t immune from free-market principles.
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contrasted with.....
One gentleman had a 20-minute cataract procedure that cost $14,000. He couldn’t understand why it cost so much. In Milwaukee, the price of the same MRI ranges from $400 to $4,000. So you have a system in place that doesn’t function like a marketplace.
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thanks for the reality check, Touchie....I like Ryan even more now....
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr....html#comments
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PostmodernProphet said:
he brings up an interesting point.....

So what I’m saying is that rather than having government ration care to manage decline, let’s take those market signals that work in every sector of the economy to reduce cost and improve competition. I got Lasik in 2000. That’s a cash surgery. It cost me $2,000 an eye. Since then, it’s been revolutionized three times and now costs $800 an eye. This sector isn’t immune from free-market principles.
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contrasted with.....

One gentleman had a 20-minute cataract procedure that cost $14,000. He couldn’t understand why it cost so much. In Milwaukee, the price of the same MRI ranges from $400 to $4,000. So you have a system in place that doesn’t function like a marketplace.
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thanks for the reality check, Touchie....I like Ryan even more now....
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:palm: Once again, the Post Modern Fool just excerpts what he likes, and ignores the rest.

The Lasik thing is interesting because it gets to the question of whether health care is a market. When I think of getting Lasik, or buying a television, I can walk out of the store. That’s what gives me as a consumer my power in the market. But if I have chest pains and my doctor prescribes a bypass, how do I walk out of the store?
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Ryan's answer:

In Milwaukee, the price of bypass ranges from $47,000 to $100,000. Nobody knows where to go for quality, or the prices. So wouldn’t it be good for the prices and quality metrics to be publicized? And let people make a decision. There’ll always be some level of co-pay or deductible or co-insurance that’s going to push people towards the best value. Then, when you have those chest pains and you’re being rushed in the ambulance, you’ll be rushed to a hospital that’s all along been competing for business and has been improved by that process. You’ll get better health care than you otherwise would. That’s how you improve the system.
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A hell of an assumption on Ryan's part.....the whole financial competition that leaves out just how hospitals are financed, who live in what area, etc. A heart attack victim gets rushed to the nearest hospital that can save their life (or should be)....a full free market approach practically guarantees poor quality hospitals in economically strapped neighborhoods. And this doesn't even address the issue as to how someone is going to pay for the procedure, if they can. The current insurance system available to the average working person would STILL NOT prevent financial hardship to bankruptcy....remember, health issues is still the leading cause for personal bankruptcy in America. What the article does is just showcase the empty platitudes of a man deep in the hip pockets of the insurance companies...as the other link I provided demonstrates.
 
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