Republicans are insane.

[Into the Night]

Reagan and Nixon both cheated in elections


Reagan also race baited

He sold arms for hostages



The last good Republican was Ike

No. You cannot make the evidence of election fraud by Democrats go away by pointing to Republicans.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

He wasn't even in office when the USSR dissolved!!

Jesus fucking Christ...why are you worshipping that guy? All he did was fuck things up, and he was definitely senile for most of his second term.

I don't understand why anyone would lionize that man when he wasn't even President when the Soviet Union finally fell, and he left office with the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression.




Well it's a good thing then that none of us are calling for a Communist government here and are instead calling for more socialist economic systems.

Capitalism is inherently flawed because it is driven by greed.

And Socialism's biggest flaw is that it tries to deny and change human nature.

 

[evince]

No. You cannot make the evidence of election fraud by Democrats go away by pointing to Republicans.

The proof of republican party cheating is in the American court system for decades of documents of findings of them cheating and being punished by the courts



Cold, hard court documented proof in the court records



There is no like record in the courts for the Democratic Party flatulence face

 

[Into the Night]

The Democrats are the party of infanticide and the sexual butchery of children, they call it healthcare but we're insane? Get fucked.

False

So, Jarod, NOW you are arguing AGAINST abortion, allowing children to have surgery to conform to the 'gender identity', and calling all that 'healthcare'??????!?

You are denying all of your own arguments now????????!?

 

[evince]

And Socialism's biggest flaw is that it tries to deny and change human nature.

Nope


It’s tendency for corruption


Just like the republicans ideas that corporations never cheat

Both are fucking stupid failed ideas

 

[Into the Night]

Meh. No human being is a god. I liked Reagan but he had his fuckups just like other presidents. He was right for the time. I think GW Bush would have been better for the 90s but that's pure conjecture. The 90s saw US politics take a dark turn after the Cold War ended.

So you consider the ending of the Cold War a 'dark turn'???????!?

 

[LV426]

Right now, the median household income in the US is $67,521 and the mean income is $71,300.

Right, which is that high because of incomes at the top that are bringing it up.

If you subtract the income of the top 1%, what becomes the median household income?

This is just like when you were caught lying about wages growing during Trump. You said that wages grew by 3.1% after Trump's tax cut, except that wages for the top 1% grew by 3.7%, while the median HH income only grew by 0.5%, which turns to a negative number when you factor inflation.

What you like to do is take a very general number and apply it to everything evenly, because that's what sophists do.

But that always gets smacked down because you aren't a detail-oriented person, and these things inevitably end up in the details. So here's an example of catching the lie:

Wage growth accelerates for workers, but salaries for the 1% just reached a new high

So you would run with that general headline to prove that Trump's tax cut grew people's wages, however, when we dive into the numbers in greater detail, we see something very troubling:

Wages grew 3.1% on the year in October, the highest level in nine years, according data released Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

So remember that 3.1% number because it's going to be important for the next part:

The average wage for the top 1% of income earners hit $719,000 per year in 2017, up 3.7% on the year, exceeding their peak of $716,000 per year just before the Great Recession

So wages generally grew by 3.1% in that example, but wages for the top 1% grew by 3.7%. So that means that wages for everyone else grew by much, much less than 3.1%.

So when talking about this, are you not placing more weight on the incomes of the 1% since they are placing more weight on wage growth?

In other words, wage growth appears to have only occurred for the top 1% since the median household income only grew by 0.5% Y-o-Y for 2018-2019. Inflation over the same period was 1.8%, so wages declined for most workers in real dollars after the tax cut.

 

[Into the Night]

I love it when you talk to yourself, Sybil. Not just the act but the actual verbiage and underlying meanings.

Sybil talks to herself????!? I thought she talked to YOU! She's YOUR hallucination!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Nope


It’s tendency for corruption


Just like the republicans ideas that corporations never cheat

Both are fucking stupid failed ideas

Wrong. Socialism requires people to be altruistic to make it work. The way Socialism works to paraphrase George Bernard Shaw is, He who can does. He who can't takes. Both have corruption and other evils present, but Socialism by its very nature drives more towards those evils than Capitalism.

 

[LV426]

And Socialism's biggest flaw is that it tries to deny and change human nature.

Socialism is an economic system, not a political or psychological one.

 

[Cypress]

Reagan helped Putin Rise and Gorbachev fall


Great huh

The Soviet Union dissolved because of ethnic nationalism, and a quasi-coup by Yelstin and the leaders of the Ukraine and Belorussia socialist republics.

The thought that the Soviets would cave and run up the white flag of surrender simply because Reagan increased Pentagon spending by 20 percent doesn't pass the laugh test.

These are the people that ate rats and sawdust rather than surrender to legions of Nazi invaders.

 

[LV426]

Wrong. Socialism requires people to be altruistic to make it work.

Not really, no.

It's simply an economic system that gives the people ownership over certain parts of the economy.

But you're telling on yourself by saying collective ownership can only work if everyone is altruistic.

 

[Into the Night]

Well, Reagan is the reason we have massive national debt and deficits because his shitty tax cuts caused the deficit to double and the debt to nearly triple.

Nope. CONGRESS caused that.

We are also dealing with his shitty legacy, that for some reason people want to romanticize and not remember that he taxed Social Security benefits in order to lower taxes for the rich. So we are most definitely still dealing with that poor decision today.

Nope. DEMOCRATS did that.

Still dealing with tax cutting, supply-side idiots who think the answer to everything is to cut spending and give the wealthy more.

Nope. Just cut government spending. Communism doesn't work.

We are also dealing with his foreign policy legacy, since he's the one who created al Qaeda by arming the mujahedeen in Afghanistan against the Soviets.

Nope. Al Qaeda was not created by arming the Mujahedeen. The Mujahedeen stole their weapons from the Soviets and bought a few more from Pakistan.

There's of course the AIDS crisis that I'm sure you treated as a joke just like Reagan did.

He didn't.

Of course there's the fallout from the S&L scandal that Reagan enabled.

He didn't.

I mean, fuck dude, what good did Reagan actually do? None. He didn't even face a recession when he took office and less than a year after his tax cuts a real recession started.

Fiction won't help you.

"Right President for the right time," yeah, if the right time is never and he's not the President.

Don't you think is time to move on from 1989?????!?

 

[LV426]

Both have corruption and other evils present, but Socialism by its very nature drives more towards those evils than Capitalism.

It's not socialism that has collapsed the economy 4 times in 30 years, but it has been socialism that saved it.

You're welcome.

 

[Into the Night]

The Republican Party cheated right from the top


That included the evil fucking Ronny rayguns


They were all anti America

No, you cannot make the evidence of election fraud by Democrats disappear by pointing to any Republican, dude.

 

[Into the Night]

So now because I ruined your Reagan fanfiction, you are broadening out the definition of Socialism to include Communism, just like the Nazis do, when you're too fucking stupid to understand that Socialism is an economic system and Communism is a political system.

But you know that, you're just having an outburst because I ruined your day.




Well too bad for you that socialism is not a political system, it is an economic one, and Communism, which you're trying to link to socialism broadly, is a political system.

I don't expect you to understand the difference because I don't find you very smart.

Communism is not a political system. It is a form of socialism. It is government ownership of markets. It can only be implemented by oligarchy or dictatorship. It is theft of wealth. It doesn't produce anything.

 

[Into the Night]

The Soviet Union's economy only crashed once, at the end.

No. At the beginning. It never had much of an economy, since the prevailing economic system was communism.

Our economy has crashed 3 times in 20 years and required socialism from the government to bail them out each time.

Government never bailed out anything.

In fact, from the period of the USSR's dissolution to today, our economy has been bailed out 4 times.

Government never bailed out anything.

FOUR TIMES.

Zero.

So in the scoreboard in your head, you're not counting all the times our capitalist system has collapsed and turned to the government or federal institutions for help because then you wouldn't have an argument to make.

Government never bailed out anything. Indeed, it was their policies and interference that caused crashes to lengthen into economic depressions.

Capitalism has failed over and over and over and over and over and we keep having to bail it out with taxpayer dollars over and over and over and over and over.

Capitalism has never failed. It is the only economic system that creates wealth.

Socialism hasn't failed at all, and in fact has saved capitalism three times this century.

Socialism is theft of wealth. It does not create wealth. By any definition, that IS a failure.

You're welcome, by the way.

For what? Tyranny???!?

No thanks.

 

[evince]

The Soviet Union dissolved because of ethnic nationalism, and a quasi-coup by Yelstin and the leaders of the Ukraine and Belorussia socialist republics.

The thought that the Soviets would cave and run up the white flag of surrender simply because Reagan increased Pentagon spending by 20 percent doesn't pass the laugh test.
These are the people that ate rats and sawdust rather than surrender to legions of Nazi invaders.

Yeah they really didn’t like having nuke melt downs on their historical lands

 

[Into the Night]

Dutch those are not lies

Yes they are. They are also a denial of history.

Just saying they are in not true
Get right with the facts

Chanting Holy Words won't help you.

 

[evince]

No, you cannot make the evidence of election fraud by Democrats disappear by pointing to any Republican, dude.

It doesn’t exist


So no one can make it disappear