Republicans can't deal with medical care:

[Truth Detector]

Partisan slant. When Obama left office the deficit was only about $400 billion. It was much higher when he took office because it was during a severe recession. It went down under Obama as the recession improved. Trump is driving it back up. You are comparing 8 years under Obama and 2 years under Trump. Both parties are financially irresponsible. Democrats tax and spend and Republicans borrow and spend.

WRONG! Obama took office January 20, 2009. Democrats controlled the Congress and the deficit was at $458 Billion. Fiscal 2019 the deficit exceeded a trillion to $1.4 trillion for the very first time.

Prior to Democrats taking control of the Congress the deficit had been in decline to $160 billion. Democrats OWN the massive trillion dollar deficits that were run up under Obama. The Obama stimulus plan added over a trillion to that deficit spending.

The ONLY congress to ever balance a budget in the last 60 years was a Republican Congress. The claim that they are no different than Democrats is not born out by any factual data or information.

The first FOUR years of the Obama Presidency had deficits in excess of $1 trillion. 2009; $1.413, 2010; $1.294, 2011; $1.299, 2012; $1.087.

Republicans took back the House in 2010 picking up a net total of 63 seats. Spending started to decline. The economy was still wallowing in malaise. by 2013 the deficit had declined to $679 billion.

The primary reason the deficit started ballooning in the Trump years was that full effect of Obamacare was delayed until Obama left office. Curious timing?

During Democratically controlled Congress, and particularly when there is a Democrat in the White House, tax and spend Democrats do what they always do solving nothing. When Republicans control the purse strings, particularly when a Republican is in the White House, deficits are controlled and they typically pass tax reform that results in more money in the taxpayers pockets.

Have you EVER seen a Democrat say "we need to reduce taxes". NEVER!

 

[Granule]

Exactly. Socialism is unconstitutional in the United States. The federal government was never given the authority to implement socialism.

True story. And yet, these fuckheads still won't stop pushing Marxism. it's mind bending when you think about it.

 

[Granule]

Exactly. Socialism is unconstitutional in the United States. The federal government was never given the authority to implement socialism.

True story.

And yet, these fuckheads still won't stop pushing Marxism. it's mind bending when you think about it.

 

[Flash]

THAT is funny. Key word, FORMER CongressCritter.

Charlie Wilson (as in Charlie Wilson's War) retired after 12 terms--good guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson_(Texas_politician)

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

Somebody's human right to access medical treatment does not obligate somebody else to pay for it.

I sure would love to hear you argue your case before your county tax collectors, who tax you thousands every year for County Hospital expenses, along with your property taxes- to pay for all those hundreds of thousands of people who use your County Hospitals because they don't have insurance.

Trust me dude- You are paying out the nose for people who are not insured now- as you are just overlooking it!

 

[Flash]

I sure would love to hear you argue your case before your county tax collectors, who tax you thousands every year for County Hospital expenses, along with your property taxes- to pay for all those hundreds of thousands of people who use your County Hospitals because they don't have insurance.

Trust me dude- You are paying out the nose for people who are not insured now- as you are just overlooking it!

None of those entities claim they are taxing me because the functions they are performing are a "human right." Those are governmental programs our elected officials have chosen to pass and the voters can turn them out if we don't like them.

They are simply political choices--not something we are required to support because they are human rights.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes it is; how sad that our educational system has failed us so terribly. The Constitution was written to protect us FROM Government. These willful idiots want to protect Government from Trump.

Yes. The cause of the failure is obvious. Our educational system is controlled from the federal government via the unconstitutional Dept of Education. They set curriculum in all public schools.

 

[Into the Night]

True story. And yet, these fuckheads still won't stop pushing Marxism. it's mind bending when you think about it.

Yes. They want to overthrow the United States, destroy the constitutions at the federal and State level and implement an oligarchy, thinking they will become the 'elite'.

 

[Into the Night]

I sure would love to hear you argue your case before your county tax collectors, who tax you thousands every year for County Hospital expenses, along with your property taxes- to pay for all those hundreds of thousands of people who use your County Hospitals because they don't have insurance.

Trust me dude- You are paying out the nose for people who are not insured now- as you are just overlooking it!

Socialism is not a right.

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

None of those entities claim they are taxing me because the functions they are performing are a "human right." Those are governmental programs our elected officials have chosen to pass and the voters can turn them out if we don't like them.

They are simply political choices--not something we are required to support because they are human rights.

Flash don't get caught up in semantics! That could be frustrating for anyone regarding rights.

Human Rights/American Rights/Citizen's Rights/Constitutional Rights etc.

The problem is that we should all pay taxes, of course!

Some do, some don't, some won't, some can, some can't, some are eager to pay taxes, some cheat on their taxes, while some hate paying taxes, some understand the need for them, some don't see the need for them. But even though we have all those different dynamics playing out- NOT ANY TWO OF US are going to agree on where their tax dollars go.

And no two of us are ever going to agree that our 100 Senators, our president included, or our 435 House Members are going to even satisfy the 100's of millions of tax payers that they are working in the best interest of them with the spending our tax dollars.

Let me give you just two examples!

A hard-working man who pays his taxes and who is also struggling to keep a roof over his families head and keeping them fed is going to want his tax dollars spent on things that would benefit him and other's like him the most.

And a Billionaire who shits on a gold Toilet using toilet paper with Hillary's picture on every sheet, may have his own ideas about where his tax dollars go as well.

It's just the way nature works. No reason to get mad! No reason to let it get to you as you should already know this and understand it.

So really, we aren't even discussing "HUMAN RIGHT'S" as we are really talking about what kinds of rights do we want our fellow Americans to have and what are we willing to pay for.

But, never expect everyone to agree with you on these matters, because not everyone will- and for different reasons!

 

[Supposn]

A tax sufficient to pay for nationalized health care or health care insurance will cause a revolt and tax crash. Borrowing sufficient money to fund nationalized health care or insurance will cause a bond crash. Printing sufficient money to pay for nationalized health or insurance care will cause a cash crash. In effect, the U.S. government has already spent itself to the point of instability. There is no room to add such a massive funding program.

Such things as the Canadian health care system have effectively already collapsed. There is no functional Canadian health care system except what you privately purchase, basically for the same reason.

The United States has built the best health care system in the world....through private funding and capitalism.

Into the Night, your opinions are not shared by the majority of USA voters and particularly by Canadian voters.

Additional costs for “Medicare for all”? ... It's not certain if M4A would net increase medical costs to USA taxpayers or considering the net economic and social benefits due to M4A, to what extent it would, (beyond it's other benefits to our entire nation), may be of net benefit to USA's aggregate taxpayers. ...

... Single payer basic medical insurance would provide some substantial reductions of USA's aggregate medical administrative expenditures.
Similar to Icebergs, substantial portions of USA's medical expenditures directly or indirectly paid for by our taxpayers, are much less visible. USA's medical expenditures are directly and indirectly greater than any other nation for in aggregate, and per person, and per patient but among the leading industrial nations, our nation's health and median healthcare services are not among the best value for the money spent. ...

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

Socialism is not a right.

Sounds like something a parrot was trained to say. Can you say, "Polly Wants a Cracker" too!

 

[Flash]

Flash don't get caught up in semantics! That could be frustrating for anyone regarding rights.

Human Rights/American Rights/Citizen's Rights/Constitutional Rights etc.

The problem is that we should all pay taxes, of course!

Some do, some don't, some won't, some can, some can't, some are eager to pay taxes, some cheat on their taxes, while some hate paying taxes, some understand the need for them, some don't see the need for them. But even though we have all those different dynamics playing out- NOT ANY TWO OF US are going to agree on where their tax dollars go.

And no two of us are ever going to agree that our 100 Senators, our president included, or our 435 House Members are going to even satisfy the 100's of millions of tax payers that they are working in the best interest of them with the spending our tax dollars.

Let me give you just two examples!

A hard-working man who pays his taxes and who is also struggling to keep a roof over his families head and keeping them fed is going to want his tax dollars spent on things that would benefit him and other's like him the most.

And a Billionaire who shits on a gold Toilet using toilet paper with Hillary's picture on every sheet, may have his own ideas about where his tax dollars go as well.

It's just the way nature works. No reason to get mad! No reason to let it get to you as you should already know this and understand it.

So really, we aren't even discussing "HUMAN RIGHT'S" as we are really talking about what kinds of rights do we want our fellow Americans to have and what are we willing to pay for.

But, never expect everyone to agree with you on these matters, because not everyone will- and for different reasons!

That was my point. If you think we should have national health care make your argument based on your reasons. Don't try to pretend that everybody is entitled to health care as a human right. Nobody is entitled to anything, but we can choose to have the government provide certain benefits.

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

That was my point. If you think we should have national health care make your argument based on your reasons. Don't try to pretend that everybody is entitled to health care as a human right. Nobody is entitled to anything, but we can choose to have the government provide certain benefits.

Thanks! Makes sense!

 

[Into the Night]

Into the Night, your opinions are not shared by the majority of USA voters and particularly by Canadian voters. Respectfully, Supposn

Yes they are.

 

[Gonzomin]

Yes. The cause of the failure is obvious. Our educational system is controlled from the federal government via the unconstitutional Dept of Education. They set curriculum in all public schools.

Not obvious. When I was growing up our public schools were the envy of the world. The federal government ran the system then and for many years previous. Our system was systematically destroyed by wealthy who saw a way to make a profit off of it. Part of the plan was to make outrageous claims about teachers. As usual, say it often enough and the masses will believe it. Teachers are dedicated professionals. For many, it is a calling. They live their lives to educating kids.
Education should be national. People move from state to state and they should be able to walk into another states schools system seamlessly.
The money in big government programs is too much for bankers and wealthy to pass up. They want it.
That is the same for Social Security. It has not missed a check in over 80 years. Want to see erratic checks and less money in it, allow bankers to get their hands on it.
No people government is not the problem. It is bankers and the wealthy looting our systems.

 

[gemini104104]

It appears so-called republicans cannot deal with anything of a civilized, decent and Godly nature as the appeared heathen they are.

 

[gemini104104]

Yet it appears in the process of attempting to overthrow civilization as in finite slaves of the devil, the cretins and ungodly heathen have overthrown their own putrid souls to a eternal damnation. It also appears the fools are doing the same thing that Lucifer tried to do in Heaven at thinking its spirit would over thrown God's creation but ended up getting thrown out of Heaven to end up on earth to walk around on its belly or as a roaring lion seeking to devour the souls of people like tRump and his brainwashed cult followers.

 

[Supposn]

Regarding preventive medicine; (i.e. “an ounce of prevention”): I’m a proponent of insurance plans not charging anything that’s effectively a co-payment for what’s a reasonably conventional preventive or diagnostic service or procedure applicable to the patient’s condition.

I’m also a proponent of federal catastrophic medical expenses insurance as an entitlement of USA legal insured or uninsured residents. Regardless of whatever is or will be our nation’s medical policies, this policy would improve our nation’s economic and social condition.
The federal government could recover any payments made on behalf of a patient that were due to an insurer or the medical provider’s grievous failure. An insurance organization directly or indirectly causing or worsening the condition of who was then their client, that eventually caused or increased the amount of the catastrophic medical expense would be the insurer’s failure.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Into the Night]

Not obvious. When I was growing up our public schools were the envy of the world.

I don't know when you grew up, but it sounds like you are quite young.

The federal government ran the system then

Nope. The federal government didn't start dictating curriculum to public schools until 1980. President Carter's idea.

and for many years previous.

Which makes you, younger than 40.

Our system was systematically destroyed by wealthy who saw a way to make a profit off of it.

What system is that? Void argument fallacy.

Part of the plan was to make outrageous claims about teachers.

No, such plan. When teachers started teaching this curriculum, people started making complaints about the curriculum, and they should.

As usual, say it often enough and the masses will believe it.

Apparently it works with YOU.

Teachers are dedicated professionals.

No. Government employees are not professionals.

For many, it is a calling.

No, it's a government job.

They live their lives to educating kids.

No, they live their lives to make a paycheck.

Education should be national.

Why?

People move from state to state and they should be able to walk into another states schools system seamlessly.

History is the same. Science is the same. Mathematics is the same. Grammar is the same. Computers are the same. Reading is the same English words. Why do you need a federal government program to keep these the same??

The money in big government programs is too much for bankers and wealthy to pass up. They want it.

Did you know it was theirs to begin with? Government took it from them!

That is the same for Social Security. It has not missed a check in over 80 years. Want to see erratic checks and less money in it, allow bankers to get their hands on it.

It has missed thousands of checks. Worse, the Social Security program will collapse by 2034. It might even take the dollar with it.

No people government is not the problem.

Government is the problem.

It is bankers and the wealthy looting our systems.

The wealthy are not 'looting our systems'. The wealthy created the wealth the government is stealing in the first place.

Banks are simply part of the Federal Reserve system. Along with the Federal Reserve, they ARE looting the wealth of the nation. They're required to through the banking laws set up by the Federal Reserve.