Republicans have a vested interest in America's economic failure.

Superfreak said:
Yes, if the plan fails the country is in a world of hurt.... but again, that doesn't translate. Not liking the bill and not voting for it, does not mean they want it to fail.

As for your quote... your 'evidence' shows a conservative condemning an idiotic conservative nut for being irrational in his 'hope for failure'. So no, it does not show that Republicans are rooting for failure. It shows that there are fringes out there that are and that others within the party are standing up to them.
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You missed the point.

I posted Roberston's quote as evidence that as I previously said, the mindset is there, and it would indeed be foolish to believe that Limbaugh is alone in this thinking,

After 8 years of republican rule watching the antics of Rove and Cheney, pretending this isn't in the right-wing playbook is blind.
 
Jarod said:
The Republicans in congress have rejected the economic recovery plan. They are voting for failure by failing to support the Presidents plan. They want America to fail.

It is dispicable that they are rooting for America's failure in order to support there future political hopes.
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Republicans voted against the porkulus bill because it is a waste of money, in fact, the biggest waste of money in American history, and it will surely fail.
 
blackascoal said:
You missed the point.

I posted Roberston's quote as evidence that as I previously said, the mindset is there, and it would indeed be foolish to believe that Limbaugh is alone in this thinking,

After 8 years of republican rule watching the antics of Rove and Cheney, pretending this isn't in the right-wing playbook is blind.
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No, YOU again missed the point. As I and others have said, sure there are some Republicans that think along those lines. The moron Rush is one of them. HOWEVER, there are others in the party just as quick to call them out for the irrational idiocy that they spew forth. As shown by your quote of Robertson.

Suggesting that the Rush mindset is widespread or somehow the prevalent line of thought is not something that can be supported.
 
maineman said:
but...you don't HOPE that it DOES fail, do you?
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Certainly not, and neither do Republicans.

If I were in Congress, I'd vote against the bill, while hoping it does succeed. But unfortunately it cannot succeed. We know it will fail based on history as well as simple logic. It may have a positive short-term effect, but sooner or later we'll find ourselves in a worse spot than we're in now. It's simply delaying the inevitable.

The best economic stimulus would be implementing a flat tax of 20% with a $40k allowance. Countries which have switched to a flat tax have experienced rapid economic growth. Business tax reform is also badly needed.

Furthermore, we must eliminate the Federal Reserve. I think you will agree it is a bad thing that our nation's money supply is controlled by private bankers.
 
It's amazing hoiw few people on a political message board actually have the slightest clue about politics.

Republicans are wagering heavily on stimulus as major 2010 issue

The stimulus package has emerged as the first major campaign issue of the 2010 election cycle, and a Republican Party eyeing a return to the majority is going all-in.

The near-universal GOP opposition to the stimulus means that, for 2010 at least, Democrats own the result. Republicans, meanwhile, are in the awkward position of banking on it, at least electorally, to fail.
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/re...-stimulus-as-major-2010-issue-2009-02-11.html

KONDRACKE: Yes, look, Republicans have made a big wager that the Obama economic plan is going to fail. And, you know, I hope for the sake of the country that they're wrong. The country certainly is rooting at the moment for Obama.

The recent Gallup poll found a whopping 67 percent approve of the way opening is handle efforts to pass the stimulus bill. Forty-eight percent approve of the way the Democrats are doing it, but 58 of those polls disapprove of the way the Republicans are acting. Thirty-one percent that approve of Republicans, it is that bedrock conservative base and nothing more.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494046,00.html

It's politics plain as day .. a blind man could see it.
 
Superfreak said:
No, YOU again missed the point. As I and others have said, sure there are some Republicans that think along those lines. The moron Rush is one of them. HOWEVER, there are others in the party just as quick to call them out for the irrational idiocy that they spew forth. As shown by your quote of Robertson.

Suggesting that the Rush mindset is widespread or somehow the prevalent line of thought is not something that can be supported.
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WRONG

It can be supported, both on history and current events .. I have supported what I said.

That you're not convinced is no surprise.
 
blackascoal said:
It's amazing hoiw few people on a political message board actually have the slightest clue about politics.

Republicans are wagering heavily on stimulus as major 2010 issue

The stimulus package has emerged as the first major campaign issue of the 2010 election cycle, and a Republican Party eyeing a return to the majority is going all-in.

The near-universal GOP opposition to the stimulus means that, for 2010 at least, Democrats own the result. Republicans, meanwhile, are in the awkward position of banking on it, at least electorally, to fail.
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/re...-stimulus-as-major-2010-issue-2009-02-11.html

KONDRACKE: Yes, look, Republicans have made a big wager that the Obama economic plan is going to fail. And, you know, I hope for the sake of the country that they're wrong. The country certainly is rooting at the moment for Obama.

The recent Gallup poll found a whopping 67 percent approve of the way opening is handle efforts to pass the stimulus bill. Forty-eight percent approve of the way the Democrats are doing it, but 58 of those polls disapprove of the way the Republicans are acting. Thirty-one percent that approve of Republicans, it is that bedrock conservative base and nothing more.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494046,00.html

It's politics plain as day .. a blind man could see it.
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No one is suggesting that this isn't politics BAC. We are saying that you are asserting that they are rooting for it to fail. Voting against it in unison says they do not approve of this bill. Yes, the understand that they will benefit if it does fail in electoral terms. But they will in turn inherit an economy that is in even worse shape than the mess we currently have. Do you really think they are rooting for that?
 
Superfreak said:
No one is suggesting that this isn't politics BAC. We are saying that you are asserting that they are rooting for it to fail. Voting against it in unison says they do not approve of this bill. Yes, the understand that they will benefit if it does fail in electoral terms. But they will in turn inherit an economy that is in even worse shape than the mess we currently have. Do you really think they are rooting for that?
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Is the argument being made here any different than any other time a political party (be it D or R) votes against a President's bill? If you vote against something and it passes are you then rooting for it to fail? Or is that too simplistic?
 
blackascoal said:
WRONG

It can be supported, both on history and current events .. I have supported what I said.

That you're not convinced is no surprise.
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LMAO... no, just saying that you have supported it does not mean that you have.

Thinking something is going to fail and rooting for it to fail are two different things. Showing that Rush is rooting for it to fail and that Pat Robertson called him out for it.... proves exactly the opposite of what you are proposing.
 
cawacko said:
Is the argument being made here any different than any other time a political party (be it D or R) votes against a President's bill? If you vote against something and it passes are you then rooting for it to fail? Or is that too simplistic?
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No, it is the same stupid argument. Just as Ditzie and Dano and the like tried to assert that voting against the Iraq war meant you wanted it to fail etc.... Thinking something is the wrong course of action does not mean you want that action to fail... Especially when the failure of the approach means more misery for the populace.
 
Superfreak said:
No, YOU again missed the point. As I and others have said, sure there are some Republicans that think along those lines. The moron Rush is one of them. HOWEVER, there are others in the party just as quick to call them out for the irrational idiocy that they spew forth. As shown by your quote of Robertson.

Suggesting that the Rush mindset is widespread or somehow the prevalent line of thought is not something that can be supported.
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Based on what I have read on the subject Rush was taken out of context. Moron he may be, but he isn't wishing for the US to fail, he hopes that socialist policies will fail, otherwise he believes we will never be able to get rid of them.
 
Superfreak said:
No, it is the same stupid argument. Just as Ditzie and Dano and the like tried to assert that voting against the Iraq war meant you wanted it to fail etc.... Thinking something is the wrong course of action does not mean you want that action to fail... Especially when the failure of the approach means more misery for the populace.
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I think that most of the time that they said they were invested in the failure of the war it was speaking of D's who said specifically that it already had failed.
 
Superfreak said:
No one is suggesting that this isn't politics BAC. We are saying that you are asserting that they are rooting for it to fail. Voting against it in unison says they do not approve of this bill. Yes, the understand that they will benefit if it does fail in electoral terms. But they will in turn inherit an economy that is in even worse shape than the mess we currently have. Do you really think they are rooting for that?
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I think republicans are rooting for power, no matter how they get it.

The politics of it is the same course they followed when Clinton was in office.

Yes, they hope the plan fails, thus the economy will continue to falter.

Yes, they hope Obama fails.

Voting against it in unison means this is a coordinated effort.

Weve seen years of republican macinations and politics. Anyone still in the dark about republicans belongs in the dark.
 
blackascoal said:
I think republicans are rooting for power, no matter how they get it.

The politics of it is the same course they followed when Clinton was in office.

Yes, they hope the plan fails, thus the economy will continue to falter.

Yes, they hope Obama fails.

Voting against it in unison means this is a coordinated effort.

Weve seen years of republican macinations and politics. Anyone still in the dark about republicans belongs in the dark.
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Ok... now we get to the root of your point.... you hate Republicans. Therefore anything you project upon them thus becomes the truth. Regardless of whether it is or not. You'll just paint them with a nice broad brush and if anyone disagrees, well.... they must be in the dark.

Gotcha. Your point is now very clear.
 
Jarod said:
The Republicans in congress have rejected the economic recovery plan. They are voting for failure by failing to support the Presidents plan. They want America to fail.

It is dispicable that they are rooting for America's failure in order to support there future political hopes.
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You sound just like them. Your rhetoric here is not different than what Repubs said about Dems on the war/terror.
 
Damocles said:
Based on what I have read on the subject Rush was taken out of context. Moron he may be, but he isn't wishing for the US to fail, he hopes that socialist policies will fail, otherwise he believes we will never be able to get rid of them.
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But Rush believes that progressive taxation is socialist so the context adds nothing.
 
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