Revisiting the claim that 'Democrats rigged the election'

Publius

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Why do I get the idea that you guys on the right think the notion that the election was stolen is a plausible idea?

Okay, I'm going to assume that you do consider it possible, I know at least some of you do.

Allow me to disabuse you of that myth. The very idea of rigging a national election in this country is a logistical nightmare that no one in their right mind could possibly pull off, thanks to our wildly decentralized electoral system spread out over 50 states. And yet, you want us to believe that Joe Biden, the man you mock as a doddering old fool, somehow masterminded a plot so grand, so intricate, that he had a team working behind the scenes for months, enlisting thousands of volunteers and paid operatives in every key district across America. They were so good at what they did that they managed to rig machines, stuff ballots, get millions of people to fill out ballots with the names of the dead, and exploit every mail-in ballot opportunity available. And then, they somehow leaned on every judge who might have seen a lawsuit from Trump and convinced them to toss out any evidence (yes, a number of the lawsuits did present evidence) from Trump's lawyers on ‘standing’ or whatever flimsy excuse they needed.

And the cherry on top? Not a single whistleblower came forward. No one recorded any phone calls, no emails, no texts, no checks, no digital deposits—nothing. You expect us to believe that a conspiracy of this magnitude, involving thousands of people, left no trace whatsoever. It would take a genius of historic proportions, someone capable of achieving what no one else in history has ever done, to beat Trump by 7 million votes in a rigged election.

But wait, it gets better. Biden, this supposed mastermind had the foresight to rig the election just enough to win but not so much that it would seem suspicious down-ballot. And so many races were close, how can you rig an election where the results could easily have done the other way? You really believe this guy, who you claim can’t put two sentences together, was smart enough to fool everyone into thinking the election was legit while pulling off the biggest heist in American history? Meanwhile, Trump, who claimed months before the first vote that the only way the Dems could win was by rigging the election, somehow saw it coming but did absolutely nothing to stop it.

And yet, you actually believe that the election was stolen or consider it's plausible? You believe that some billionaire from New York, who dealt himself a massive tax cut and surrounded himself with people who are either indicted, in prison, or pardoned by him, is somehow the champion of the little guy and is on your side?

Oh, I recall some (somewhere in the peanut gallery, this, or others) saying Biden had 'handlers'.

You’re trying to tell me that Biden, the man who supposedly can’t string two sentences together, was somehow chosen by these shadowy “handlers” to be their frontman—their puppet—and yet he managed to pull off the biggest electoral heist in American history? The same Biden who Trump, with all his foresight, warned us about months before the election, and still—still!—Trump did nothing to stop it?

And even if you could suspend disbelief long enough to buy into this fairy tale, you’ve got to ask yourself: Why would these supposed handlers pick Biden, of all people, to be their puppet? A man who you believe is so out of it that he can’t function on his own, yet somehow he’s the mastermind behind this grand conspiracy? And all while Trump, the self-proclaimed stable genius, sat idly by, watching it all happen, and did nothing?

And yet, despite all this, you’re convinced that the election was stolen or believe it is plausible, that Biden—a man you think is senile—was somehow both the puppet and the puppeteer, outsmarting Trump and the entire Republican machine. And you believe that this billionaire from New York, who slashed his own taxes and filled his inner circle with people who ended up indicted, imprisoned, or pardoned, is somehow the champion of the little guy?

Really, you’ve got to be kidding me.

Occam's razor: Trump, before the first ballot was ever cast, declared at every rally that the only way Democrats can win is if they rig the election. This primed the conspiracy theory pump, given that, every election has anomalies and irregularities, such that Donald 'I love the low educated" Trump, knowing his base isn't sophisticated enough to check, all he has to do is point to the irregularities and declare he was right and the irregularities, though common to all elections, 'prove' it.

What's amazing is how many Republicans didn't consider the obvious, he's just priming the conspiracy pump in order to stay in office, whereby he would create a scheme with his several co-conspirator's to subvert the election, and his base will think he is 'noble'.

All along, he's a threat to US National Security, a criminal, a pervert, a sex abuser, a fraudster, a demagogue who's in it for himself, and you've been Trumped.

I got bad news for you, y'all are on the wrong side of history, Democrats are going to cream you guys in November, and Trump will be sentenced, soon.

Humbly tendered,
Publius
 
Why do I get the idea that you guys on the right think the notion that the election was stolen is a plausible idea?

Okay, I'm going to assume that you do consider it possible, I know at least some of you do.

Allow me to disabuse you of that myth. The very idea of rigging a national election in this country is a logistical nightmare that no one in their right mind could possibly pull off, thanks to our wildly decentralized electoral system spread out over 50 states. And yet, you want us to believe that Joe Biden, the man you mock as a doddering old fool, somehow masterminded a plot so grand, so intricate, that he had a team working behind the scenes for months, enlisting thousands of volunteers and paid operatives in every key district across America. They were so good at what they did that they managed to rig machines, stuff ballots, get millions of people to fill out ballots with the names of the dead, and exploit every mail-in ballot opportunity available. And then, they somehow leaned on every judge who might have seen a lawsuit from Trump and convinced them to toss out any evidence (yes, a number of the lawsuits did present evidence) from Trump's lawyers on ‘standing’ or whatever flimsy excuse they needed.

And the cherry on top? Not a single whistleblower came forward. No one recorded any phone calls, no emails, no texts, no checks, no digital deposits—nothing. You expect us to believe that a conspiracy of this magnitude, involving thousands of people, left no trace whatsoever. It would take a genius of historic proportions, someone capable of achieving what no one else in history has ever done, to beat Trump by 7 million votes in a rigged election.

But wait, it gets better. Biden, this supposed mastermind had the foresight to rig the election just enough to win but not so much that it would seem suspicious down-ballot. And so many races were close, how can you rig an election where the results could easily have done the other way? You really believe this guy, who you claim can’t put two sentences together, was smart enough to fool everyone into thinking the election was legit while pulling off the biggest heist in American history? Meanwhile, Trump, who claimed months before the first vote that the only way the Dems could win was by rigging the election, somehow saw it coming but did absolutely nothing to stop it.

And yet, you actually believe that the election was stolen or consider it's plausible? You believe that some billionaire from New York, who dealt himself a massive tax cut and surrounded himself with people who are either indicted, in prison, or pardoned by him, is somehow the champion of the little guy and is on your side?

Oh, I recall some (somewhere in the peanut gallery, this, or others) saying Biden had 'handlers'.

You’re trying to tell me that Biden, the man who supposedly can’t string two sentences together, was somehow chosen by these shadowy “handlers” to be their frontman—their puppet—and yet he managed to pull off the biggest electoral heist in American history? The same Biden who Trump, with all his foresight, warned us about months before the election, and still—still!—Trump did nothing to stop it?

And even if you could suspend disbelief long enough to buy into this fairy tale, you’ve got to ask yourself: Why would these supposed handlers pick Biden, of all people, to be their puppet? A man who you believe is so out of it that he can’t function on his own, yet somehow he’s the mastermind behind this grand conspiracy? And all while Trump, the self-proclaimed stable genius, sat idly by, watching it all happen, and did nothing?

And yet, despite all this, you’re convinced that the election was stolen or believe it is plausible, that Biden—a man you think is senile—was somehow both the puppet and the puppeteer, outsmarting Trump and the entire Republican machine. And you believe that this billionaire from New York, who slashed his own taxes and filled his inner circle with people who ended up indicted, imprisoned, or pardoned, is somehow the champion of the little guy?

Really, you’ve got to be kidding me.

Occam's razor: Trump, before the first ballot was ever cast, declared at every rally that the only way Democrats can win is if they rig the election. This primed the conspiracy theory pump, given that, every election has anomalies and irregularities, such that Donald 'I love the low educated" Trump, knowing his base isn't sophisticated enough to check, all he has to do is point to the irregularities and declare he was right and the irregularities, though common to all elections, 'prove' it.

What's amazing is how many Republicans didn't consider the obvious, he's just priming the conspiracy pump in order to stay in office, whereby he would create a scheme with his several co-conspirator's to subvert the election, and his base will think he is 'noble'.

All along, he's a threat to US National Security, a criminal, a pervert, a sex abuser, a fraudster, a demagogue who's in it for himself, and you've been Trumped.

I got bad news for you, y'all are on the wrong side of history, Democrats are going to cream you guys in November, and Trump will be sentenced, soon.

Humbly tendered,
Publius
Cancel the election Pubic has spoken. This will save us time and money. Thanks.
 
Non substantive rebuttal. Fail.
How so? If you remember you wrote:

"I got bad news for you, y'all are on the wrong side of history, Democrats are going to cream you guys in November, and Trump will be sentenced, soon."

You made an announcement that Democrats are going to "...cream you guys in November,..." So what's the point of having an election? If what you say is a fact, which is precisely how you stated it, then wouldn't it save us all time and money to cancel the election? I'll spare you the trouble. Yes it would. Now did you instead to say you hope, pray, think, wish Democrats cream you guys in November then that's different. The trouble is leftists believe that hoping, praying, thinking and wishing something brings it into existence. If you believe that then you're deluded and it's a waste of time to engage you.
 
I think how the media lied for Joe about the laptop from hell is enough to doubt how free and fair elections actually are in this electronic age

and we see the same thing now. Kamala was not voted for - yet the media is again running interference and allowing her to hide from her past statements
 
How so? If you remember you wrote:

"I got bad news for you, y'all are on the wrong side of history, Democrats are going to cream you guys in November, and Trump will be sentenced, soon."

You made an announcement that Democrats are going to "...cream you guys in November,..." So what's the point of having an election? If what you say is a fact, which is precisely how you stated it, then wouldn't it save us all time and money to cancel the election? I'll spare you the trouble. Yes it would. Now did you instead to say you hope, pray, think, wish Democrats cream you guys in November then that's different. The trouble is leftists believe that hoping, praying, thinking and wishing something brings it into existence. If you believe that then you're deluded and it's a waste of time to engage you.
Thank you for that substantive reply-- I will get back to you when I get home tonight.

You see that's all I ask -- a substantive reply-- now I don't have to agree with it but if you put some thought into it, willing to engage, I'll be happy to rebut. I'll be home later tonight.
 
Why do I get the idea that you guys on the right think the notion that the election was stolen is a plausible idea?

Okay, I'm going to assume that you do consider it possible, I know at least some of you do.

Allow me to disabuse you of that myth. The very idea of rigging a national election in this country is a logistical nightmare that no one in their right mind could possibly pull off, thanks to our wildly decentralized electoral system spread out over 50 states. And yet, you want us to believe that Joe Biden, the man you mock as a doddering old fool, somehow masterminded a plot so grand, so intricate, that he had a team working behind the scenes for months, enlisting thousands of volunteers and paid operatives in every key district across America. They were so good at what they did that they managed to rig machines, stuff ballots, get millions of people to fill out ballots with the names of the dead, and exploit every mail-in ballot opportunity available. And then, they somehow leaned on every judge who might have seen a lawsuit from Trump and convinced them to toss out any evidence (yes, a number of the lawsuits did present evidence) from Trump's lawyers on ‘standing’ or whatever flimsy excuse they needed.

And the cherry on top? Not a single whistleblower came forward. No one recorded any phone calls, no emails, no texts, no checks, no digital deposits—nothing. You expect us to believe that a conspiracy of this magnitude, involving thousands of people, left no trace whatsoever. It would take a genius of historic proportions, someone capable of achieving what no one else in history has ever done, to beat Trump by 7 million votes in a rigged election.

But wait, it gets better. Biden, this supposed mastermind had the foresight to rig the election just enough to win but not so much that it would seem suspicious down-ballot. And so many races were close, how can you rig an election where the results could easily have done the other way? You really believe this guy, who you claim can’t put two sentences together, was smart enough to fool everyone into thinking the election was legit while pulling off the biggest heist in American history? Meanwhile, Trump, who claimed months before the first vote that the only way the Dems could win was by rigging the election, somehow saw it coming but did absolutely nothing to stop it.

And yet, you actually believe that the election was stolen or consider it's plausible? You believe that some billionaire from New York, who dealt himself a massive tax cut and surrounded himself with people who are either indicted, in prison, or pardoned by him, is somehow the champion of the little guy and is on your side?

Oh, I recall some (somewhere in the peanut gallery, this, or others) saying Biden had 'handlers'.

You’re trying to tell me that Biden, the man who supposedly can’t string two sentences together, was somehow chosen by these shadowy “handlers” to be their frontman—their puppet—and yet he managed to pull off the biggest electoral heist in American history? The same Biden who Trump, with all his foresight, warned us about months before the election, and still—still!—Trump did nothing to stop it?

And even if you could suspend disbelief long enough to buy into this fairy tale, you’ve got to ask yourself: Why would these supposed handlers pick Biden, of all people, to be their puppet? A man who you believe is so out of it that he can’t function on his own, yet somehow he’s the mastermind behind this grand conspiracy? And all while Trump, the self-proclaimed stable genius, sat idly by, watching it all happen, and did nothing?

And yet, despite all this, you’re convinced that the election was stolen or believe it is plausible, that Biden—a man you think is senile—was somehow both the puppet and the puppeteer, outsmarting Trump and the entire Republican machine. And you believe that this billionaire from New York, who slashed his own taxes and filled his inner circle with people who ended up indicted, imprisoned, or pardoned, is somehow the champion of the little guy?

Really, you’ve got to be kidding me.

Occam's razor: Trump, before the first ballot was ever cast, declared at every rally that the only way Democrats can win is if they rig the election. This primed the conspiracy theory pump, given that, every election has anomalies and irregularities, such that Donald 'I love the low educated" Trump, knowing his base isn't sophisticated enough to check, all he has to do is point to the irregularities and declare he was right and the irregularities, though common to all elections, 'prove' it.

What's amazing is how many Republicans didn't consider the obvious, he's just priming the conspiracy pump in order to stay in office, whereby he would create a scheme with his several co-conspirator's to subvert the election, and his base will think he is 'noble'.

All along, he's a threat to US National Security, a criminal, a pervert, a sex abuser, a fraudster, a demagogue who's in it for himself, and you've been Trumped.

I got bad news for you, y'all are on the wrong side of history, Democrats are going to cream you guys in November, and Trump will be sentenced, soon.

Humbly tendered,
Publius
unconstitutional........it only took a handful of election officials in three counties in three states to come up with the 47,000 votes that put the Pale Faced Pedophile in the Oval Office as the first president elected in an unconstitutional election.......
 
unconstitutional........it only took a handful of election officials in three counties in three states to come up with the 47,000 votes that put the Pale Faced Pedophile in the Oval Office as the first president elected in an unconstitutional election.......

There's a dozen or more battleground states, and no one knows, at the outset, which 2 or 3 states will be the decisive states, so operatives would have to recruited months in advance, installed, in all of the battleground states, and there is a perimeter of those states that are iffy, so it would really require about 15 or more states, noting there are dem and repub monitors, you'll have to find repub co-conspirators, in all of the key states. And then there are audits, etc.

Logistically it's well nigh impossible, not to mention than with such conspiracies, someone leaks, the word gets out, and whistleblowers emerge. And, why would anyone risk going to jail when there is no immediate financial gain? No, it's absurd,. the more you think about it.

AS for your pejorative, not only do you not have evidence, you are an asshole for trafficking in such fuckwit language about Joe Biden.
 
There's a dozen or more battleground states, and no one knows, at the outset, which 2 or 3 states will be the decisive states, so operatives would have to recruited months in advance, installed,
which other blue states do you think will fall?.....by the way, as to "months in advance".......early voting starts in Virginia Pennsylvania and Minnesota on Sept 20
 
They were so good at what they did that they managed to rig machines, stuff ballots, get millions of people to fill out ballots with the names of the dead, and exploit every mail-in ballot opportunity available. And then, they somehow leaned on every judge who might have seen a lawsuit from Trump and convinced them to toss out any evidence (yes, a number of the lawsuits did present evidence) from Trump's lawyers on ‘standing’ or whatever flimsy excuse they needed.
Yes
 
Logistically it's well nigh impossible
not at all.....a handful of demmycrat election officials put out drop boxes in unsupervised 24/7 locations in Fulton County, GA without the authorization of the state legislature.......Biden won the state by less than 12,000 votes.......
similar action was taken in Maricopa County, AZ, Madison, WI and Wayne County, MI with similar results.........a net total of 47,000 votes.....they were caught doing it in Muskegon County, MI and charges were filed by the MSP.......the FBI stepped in and "took over" the investigation.......nothing has happened in the three years since.......
 
@Publius Knows they cheated but was tasked with the job of propagandizing for the DNC.
They are going to cheat again. That's why all the ginned up polls to make it look like it's going to be a close race.
They have already started the cheating process. This time a major component with be illegals voting.
 
@Publius Knows they cheated but was tasked with the job of propagandizing for the DNC.
They are going to cheat again. That's why all the ginned up polls to make it look like it's going to be a close race.
They have already started the cheating process. This time a major component with be illegals voting.
well, the newly elected demmycrat SC of the state of WI has held that despite the fact it has never been approved by the state legislature, the state will use the same election system used in 2020 even though it was declared unconstitutional by the previous SC decision in 2022.....therefore we already know the 2024 election will be unconstitutional like the 2020 election.....
 
Why do I get the idea that you guys on the right think the notion that the election was stolen is a plausible idea?
it definitely was stolen.

it was admitted to in this time article.



Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears. They executed national public-awareness campaigns that helped Americans understand how the vote count would unfold over days or weeks, preventing Trump’s conspiracy theories and false claims of victory from getting more traction. After Election Day, they monitored every pressure point to ensure that Trump could not overturn the result. “The untold story of the election is the thousands of people of both parties who accomplished the triumph of American democracy at its very foundation,” says Norm Eisen, a prominent lawyer and former Obama Administration official who recruited Republicans and Democrats to the board of the Voter Protection Program.
 
And Lt. Dan shows up. Okay.
There's, um, shrimp kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo, pan fried, deep fried, stir fried. There's pineapple shrimp and lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp in potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That's, that's about it
 
which other blue states do you think will fall?.....by the way, as to "months in advance".......early voting starts in Virginia Pennsylvania and Minnesota on Sept 20
a massive politically coordinated conspiracy sufficient to deliberately throw an election would have an infrastructure, a hierarchy, thousands of texts, emails, recruiting months in advance, planning and coordination, all of which in a highly decentralized system which varies considerably from state to state makes the idea really preposterous, given that there would be leaks, whistleblowers, surveillance, you're in the absurd zone. Look at the evidence that was garnered against Trump for his overthrow attempt. We have TONS of it, and when he goes to Trial, his goose is thoroughly roasted. He couldn't pull it off, no one can, the task is too big. However, Trump might have come close if he had installed a more acquiescent VP. But, what he did isn't what he and repubs allege that dems did, they allege dems tampered with ballots, implemented the rigging via internal methods.
 
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