Revisiting the claim that 'Democrats rigged the election'

[Into the Night]

Vacuous claims are an impotent argument.

Please provide evidence.

Otherwise, your comment is incompetent.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Fallacy fallacy. Some of the evidence has already been provided to you. RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

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Let me break your bullshit conspiracy theory down for you.

First, the claim that Democrat election officials "put out drop boxes in unsupervised 24/7 locations" in Fulton County without authorization is misleading. In Georgia, the State Election Board, which was controlled by Republicans during the 2020 election, approved the use of drop boxes as a response to the pandemic. These drop boxes were placed following guidelines, and their use was legal under the state's emergency rules, which were implemented to ensure voter safety.

Second, the notion that Biden's win was somehow illegitimate because of these drop boxes ignores the fact that these votes were cast legally. The claim of "unsupervised" drop boxes is another misleading assertion. In many cases, drop boxes were monitored by security cameras, and strict chain-of-custody procedures were in place.

The same holds true for Maricopa County, AZ, Madison, WI, and Wayne County, MI. All of these locations followed their state's guidelines and election laws. These drop boxes were not rogue operations; they were part of efforts to make voting more accessible during a pandemic, which affected every voter, not just one party.

Now, about Muskegon County, MI—it's important to note that while there were reports of voter registration fraud, they were not about illegal votes being cast in an election. The Michigan State Police did investigate, but the involvement of the FBI is often misunderstood. The FBI's role was to look into broader concerns, not to dismiss the investigation. As of now, there's no credible evidence that this had any impact on the election results.

The bottom line: these claims of unauthorized or fraudulent actions are recycled, debunked talking points. The 2020 election was one of the most scrutinized in history, and multiple recounts, audits, and court cases confirmed the results. Biden won by a margin that reflected the will of the voters, not the supposed actions of a handful of officials in a few counties. So, unless you're ready to accept the facts, it might be time to reconsider these conspiracy theories.

Complexity fallacy. Assumption of victory fallacy. You have debunked nothing.

There was no 2020 election. It faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.
Recounting the same fake ballots is meaningless.
There were no audits.
There were no court cases. No court has authority to certify any election.

Biden didn't win. There was no election in 2020.

The Democrat party is a conspiracy. It is no secret.

 

[Into the Night]

Here's a little fact that you can't get around: there's nothing on that laptop that incriminates Joe Biden, so it doesn't really matter what anyone said about it or did to or with it. As for Hunter Biden? He's a private citizen so who the f*** cares?

Not a fact. Learn what "fact" means.

It is obvious you do not respect the law or the Constitution of the United States nor any State constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

If the Dems were fixing the election, why did they allow McConnell, and so many right-wingers to win their seats? They could have gotten rid of so many nitwits and crooks, yet did not.

Many of those were stolen as well, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

Your narrative is a distortion of the truth. If you want to go down this rabbit hole, provide a link to whatever the hell it is you are talking about.

The FBI. It is illegal to suppress evidence. The FBI is breaking the law.

 

[Into the Night]

PLease provide a link, and state your premise, with all the pertinent facts.

We will go from there.


Right now,. you're just blowing smoke, and though I know you are itching to drop a mic, you're only dropping the idea that you know how to frame a proper point in a debate.

The Constitution of the United States, which you don't recognize.

LINKS ARE NOT A PROOF!

 

[Into the Night]

No, the 'red flag' was Trump,

LIF. Grow up.

declaring at numerous rallies, LONG BEFORE THE FIRST BALLOT WAS EVER CAST, that 'the only way Democrats can win is if they rig the election', thereby priming the conspiracy theory pump he would later invoke when he lost.

The Democrat party is a conspiracy. It is no theory. Trump has never lost an election.

The gatewaypundit has achieved something no other website has achieved, virtually ALL of it's articles fail factchecks.

'Fact checking' is not a proof. False authority fallacy.

It is the worst website on the internet, for information.

Bulverism fallacy.

But, I'm not quick to use the 'kill-the-messenger' counter argument,

Yes you are. Blatant lie.

and I will actually debunk your claim rather than rely totally on a KTM, though that website deserves it:

Attempted proof by void.

Oh, the audacity of trying to warp basic arithmetic to sow doubt about the 2020 election!

There was no 2020 election. No one is using arithmetic here. Strawman fallacy.

It's as if some folks are stuck in a perpetual state of denial, clutching at straws to spin a tale of fraud where none exists.

DON'T TRY TO DENY DEMOCRAT ELECTION FRAUD!

Let's tear this nonsense apart, shall we?

First, let's talk about those voter numbers—213.8 million registered voters.

In many States, more than of legal voting age. Fortunately, voter roles are being purge now, so it's not as easy for Democrats to vote for the dead or by using stolen identities.

Sure, that’s within the ballpark.

Cliche fallacy. Random phrase. No apparent coherency.

But then you throw out this figure, 66.2% voter turnout,

Argument from randU fallacy. Making up numbers and using them as 'data' is a fallacy.

as if it’s the holy grail of election data.

There was no election in 2020.

And you try to magically transform this into exactly 141.5 million votes. Here’s the problem: you’re playing fast and loose with numbers.

Which is what you are doing. Argument from randU fallacies.

Voter turnout percentage is based on eligible voters, not just registered voters. The 66.2% turnout rate you're quoting comes from an estimated eligible voter population of around 239 million people, not the 213.8 million registered voters. When you account for this, the number of actual voters in 2020 makes perfect sense—over 158 million ballots were cast, matching up with the highest voter turnout in over a century.

You cannot justify an argument from randU fallacy, especially by using additional argument from randU fallacies.

But instead of acknowledging this, you conjure up this bogus comparison with a turnout number divorced from reality.

Buzzword fallacy. You don't know what 'reality' even means or how it's defined. Base rate fallacy.

If you’re going to doubt the election, at least get your facts straight.

Learn what "fact" means. It does NOT mean "Universal Truth" or "proof".

Ah, yes, the old song and dance of disbelief, wrapped in a cloak of selective outrage and arithmetic acrobatics.

You are describing yourself. DON'T TRY TO BLAME YOUR PROBLEM ON ANYBODY ELSE!

It’s almost as if some people believe that by repeating their disbelief enough times, they can conjure up a different reality.

DON'T TRY TO BLAME YOUR PROBLEM ON ANYBODY ELSE!

So let’s dissect this mountain of doubt, piece by piece, and expose it for what it truly is—pure, unadulterated fiction.

DON'T TRY TO BLAME YOUR PROBLEMS ON ANYBODY ELSE!

First, the incredulity over Biden’s 81 million votes.

There are not 81 million people on the electoral college.

Let’s address the elephant in the room: voter turnout was at a historic high in 2020.

Argument from randU fallacy. Making up numbers means nothing.

The pandemic,

The Election Virus. The Covid Hoax perpetuated by Democrats, which also started the current economic depression. Go fuck yourself.

mail-in voting expansion,

Illegal.

and an electorate more polarized than ever

There was no electoral college.

contributed to a turnout that blew past previous records.

Argument from randU fallacy.

This isn’t some conspiracy—

The Democrat party is a conspiracy.

this is the result of democracy in action.

There is no democracy currently anywhere in the world. The United States was never a democracy.

Comparing Biden’s numbers to Obama’s in 2008 is like comparing apples to oranges. Different elections, different circumstances, and—guess what—different candidates.

Not really.

Obama took a downturn and converted it into an economic depression that lasted nine years. Obama called it the "new normal". Obama tried to nationalize various industries (communism) and dictate others (facism).

Biden was never elected. He was installed as Chief Puppet so Obama could effectively run a 3rd term.
Again, Obama attempted to nationalize various industries (communism) and dictate others (fascism).

Now, on to Trump’s numbers. Yes, Trump did receive over 74 million votes, which is a significant increase from 2016.

The President is not elected by popular vote.

But guess what? The electorate didn’t shrink in the last four years—more people registered, more people voted, and more people decided that they’d had enough of Trump’s antics. Enthusiastic crowds at rallies don’t translate to votes

They do. Paradox. Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

—those are optics, not ballots. The idea that rally size should correlate directly to electoral victory is as absurd as thinking that likes on a tweet determine the next president.

Rally size is not a tweet. Redefinition fallacy. False equivalence fallacy.

Let’s not forget the claim about Obama’s turnout in 2008. Sure, Obama’s election had a 57.1% turnout, but comparing that to 2020 is disingenuous at best. The nation was gripped by the most divisive election in modern history, with a sitting president whose behavior was a constant source of controversy, and a pandemic that made voting by mail more accessible than ever. This wasn't just about Biden—it was about a referendum on Trump. Biden won because many voted, not for Biden, but against Trump. I know I did.

There was no election in 2020. Argument from randU fallacy. Biden didn't win. You cannot win what never took place.

Finally, the insinuation that turnout increased in every state and nearly every county as if that’s somehow suspicious.

Argument from randU fallacy.

No, that’s called democracy.

There is no democracy. The United States was never a democracy.

When people are motivated, whether by passion or outrage, they turn out to vote. That’s how elections work, not by some bizarre calculus where only the candidate you support is allowed to win.

DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT PROBLEMS ON TRUMP!

So yes, Biden won with 81 million votes. Trump lost despite his 74 million.

There are not 81 million voters in the electoral college.
There was no election in 2020. Biden didn't win. Trump has never lost an election.

And the sooner we accept the facts,

Learn what "fact" means. It does NOT mean "Universal Truth".

the sooner we can move forward as a country,

You don't want to. You want to destroy it.

instead of indulging in these fact-free fantasies that only serve to undermine the very democracy we claim to cherish.

There is no democracy. Learn what "fact" means.

 

[Into the Night]

Feel free to substantiate your claim that there is incriminating evidence against Joe Biden on the laptop.

I'll be waiting.

RQAA. Stop asking the same question mindlessly. It's already been answered.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Your narrative is a distortion of the truth. If you want to go down this rabbit hole, provide a link to whatever the hell it is you are talking about.

/beats you about the head with Hunter's laptop......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

PLease provide a link, and state your premise, with all the pertinent facts.

We will go from there.


Right now,. you're just blowing smoke, and though I know you are itching to drop a mic, you're only dropping the idea that you know how to frame a proper point in a debate.

I've provided that link more times than you've had sex as anyone here can attest......go read them or fuck off, your choice.......

 

[Publius]

he had tons of evidence.

Dems don't do evidence.

THe article is substantive.

Your reply is not.

Your comment is a fail, until you can substantively counter my comment.

 

[Publius]

/beats you about the head with Hunter's laptop......

I'll take it as you don't have a link to focus our debate on

Since you do not, your rebuttal is incompetent.

 

[Publius]

I've provided that link more times than you've had sex as anyone here can attest......go read them or fuck off, your choice.......

Unless you can produce a link or you comment is incompetent. I do not hunt, nor do I take anyone's word for anything.

Either you have a substantive argument, or you don't. If you think everyone keeps a log of your posts, you are mistaken.

No one is under any obligation to keep of anyone's posting history. That's not how it works, nor as that ever been
how it works going back to the days of BBSes, IRC, and Usenet. If that is wrong, show me the TOS, rules of the board that says otherwise.

A proper reply, should, therefore, contain everything in it to substantively make one's case.

 

[Publius]

How so? If you remember you wrote:

"I got bad news for you, y'all are on the wrong side of history, Democrats are going to cream you guys in November, and Trump will be sentenced, soon."

You made an announcement that Democrats are going to "...cream you guys in November,..." So what's the point of having an election? If what you say is a fact, which is precisely how you stated it, then wouldn't it save us all time and money to cancel the election? I'll spare you the trouble. Yes it would. Now did you instead to say you hope, pray, think, wish Democrats cream you guys in November then that's different. The trouble is leftists believe that hoping, praying, thinking and wishing something brings it into existence. If you believe that then you're deluded and it's a waste of time to engage you.

Yeah, i did write that, more of a add on tagged line, some rah rah-ing on my part due to the relief we dems are experiencing given that Biden stepped down and our numbers are on the upswing, but it certainly wasn't the salient point. Why don't you comment on the salient points made in the comment?

Waste of time? Try me.

 

[Nordberg]

I think how the media lied for Joe about the laptop from hell is enough to doubt how free and fair elections actually are in this electronic age

and we see the same thing now. Kamala was not voted for - yet the media is again running interference and allowing her to hide from her past statements

What laptop? If you're talking Hunters, the whole story reeks. Some repairman gave it to Rudy. That did not make you wonder. Then it was in Trumpian hands for years and nothing came out of it. No crimes. No information. Yet in right wing "minds" it represents zillions of crimes implicating every person in Biden's administration.
Media allowing her to hide? There are lots of right-wing media. You know that because that is what you read exclusively.
You are deeply misinformed and unsalvageable.

 

[zymurgy]

What laptop? If you're talking Hunters, the whole story reeks. Some repairman gave it to Rudy. That did not make you wonder. Then it was in Trumpian hands for years and nothing came out of it. No crimes. No information. Yet in right wing "minds" it represents zillions of crimes implicating every person in Biden's administration.
Media allowing her to hide? There are lots of right-wing media. You know that because that is what you read exclusively.
You are deeply misinformed and unsalvageable.

~"what laptop derp derp derp "