Rioters liberal or conservative? Trump or Biden people?

Tacomaman said:
I beg to differ. The Far Right also acts in blocks:

* The KKK.
* Skinheads.
* White Supremacy groups.

Just to name a few........)
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They don't show up in the thousands and trash city centers. Most these groups have members in the dozens at most. Most are more violent towards each other (yes, they are some of the world's dumbest knuckleheaded dumbasses) but you don't see say the KKK showing up today in hundreds or thousands and rioting and looting. What you see is one KKK (or other radical Right group) member doing something like shooting people at a church or something like that. An individual creating extreme violence at a single point.

The radical Left shows up in the thousands and burns a college campus down. Or, they show up in the thousands for a counter protest against a handful of radical-Right types (like they did a few months ago in Portland OR) ready for a street brawl with them.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
They don't show up in the thousands and trash city centers. Most these groups have members in the dozens at most. Most are more violent towards each other (yes, they are some of the world's dumbest knuckleheaded dumbasses) but you don't see say the KKK showing up today in hundreds or thousands and rioting and looting. What you see is one KKK (or other radical Right group) member doing something like shooting people at a church or something like that. An individual creating extreme violence at a single point.

The radical Left shows up in the thousands and burns a college campus down. Or, they show up in the thousands for a counter protest against a handful of radical-Right types (like they did a few months ago in Portland OR) ready for a street brawl with them.
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I seem to remember more than a "few" in Charlottseville. Those "few" resulted in the death of an innocent woman.
That said, you are perfectly entitled to your skewed views, just dont attempt to disseminate them as "fact".
 
Tacomaman said:
I seem to remember more than a "few" in Charlottseville. Those "few" resulted in the death of an innocent woman.
That said, you are perfectly entitled to your skewed views, just dont attempt to disseminate them as "fact".
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Even there, the Left outnumbered the Right and the deaths that occurred were at the hands of a single individual driving a car, not some radical Rightwing mob.
Aside from that there was plenty of low grade violence there mostly from the Left...

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As but one example...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Even there, the Left outnumbered the Right and the deaths that occurred were at the hands of a single individual driving a car, not some radical Rightwing mob.
Aside from that there was plenty of low grade violence there mostly from the Left...

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As but one example...
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I didnt poll the attendees at Charlottesville and neither did you. That said, the "Left" didn't kill anyone now did they.....)

With respect to the protests, you have no data to back up your comments. As such, the comments themselves are merely more political "hackery".
 
Tacomaman said:
I didnt poll the attendees at Charlottesville and neither did you. That said, the "Left" didn't kill anyone now did they.....)

With respect to the protests, you have no data to back up your comments. As such, the comments themselves are merely more political "hackery".
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Body count isn't the only measure of violence, nor should it be. That red herring is regularly trotted out to excuse the mass low grade violence of the Left. I've already made several comments on that to the effect that the radical Right produces more dead bodies through individual acts while the radical Left produces millions, even billions, in property damage, injury, lost income, and other measures of loss. Sure, the Left kills fewer people but they cause far more overall harm to society.

Now, I expect to hear some sort of silly whining about how you can't put a price on a human life-- another red herring argument--because you can. Insurers do it all the time. How many "Save the starving kids in Africa, Central America, etc.", are you paying $20 a month to help? That puts a price on a human life too. So, if you are offering up that argument show us some proof of your poverty and piety by giving most of your money to help those priceless lives.

As for your second comment, again I need offer no extensive proof beyond the photo. It clearly shows low grade violence occurring at Charlottesville and there are plenty of others as well. It is possible to pick out which side the violent participants are on much of the time. That shows that low grade violent acts occurred between many individuals while the deaths in the car incident were caused by a single individual driving the vehicle.

You want to tar all of one side with the act of a single individual. I on the other hand, acknowledge the act of that single individual and state that there were far more acts of low grade violence by both sides, but add that those low grade acts came in greater number from the Left. Feel free to show me some numbers that say I'm wrong on that.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Body count isn't the only measure of violence, nor should it be. That red herring is regularly trotted out to excuse the mass low grade violence of the Left. I've already made several comments on that to the effect that the radical Right produces more dead bodies through individual acts while the radical Left produces millions, even billions, in property damage, injury, lost income, and other measures of loss. Sure, the Left kills fewer people but they cause far more overall harm to society.

Now, I expect to hear some sort of silly whining about how you can't put a price on a human life-- another red herring argument--because you can. Insurers do it all the time. How many "Save the starving kids in Africa, Central America, etc.", are you paying $20 a month to help? That puts a price on a human life too. So, if you are offering up that argument show us some proof of your poverty and piety by giving most of your money to help those priceless lives.

As for your second comment, again I need offer no extensive proof beyond the photo. It clearly shows low grade violence occurring at Charlottesville and there are plenty of others as well. It is possible to pick out which side the violent participants are on much of the time. That shows that low grade violent acts occurred between many individuals while the deaths in the car incident were caused by a single individual driving the vehicle.

You want to tar all of one side with the act of a single individual. I on the other hand, acknowledge the act of that single individual and state that there were far more acts of low grade violence by both sides, but add that those low grade acts came in greater number from the Left. Feel free to show me some numbers that say I'm wrong on that.
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You made the claim. Feel free to post the numbers (from a credible source) to back up your claim. We both know that you can't. That said, there are plenty of photos concerning your "innocent" White Supremacy groups as well........) Funny how you conveniently omitted those.......lmao
 
Tacomaman said:
You made the claim. Feel free to post the numbers (from a credible source) to back up your claim. We both know that you can't. That said, there are plenty of photos concerning your "innocent" White Supremacy groups as well........) Funny how you conveniently omitted those.......lmao
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The LA Times agrees with me...

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-charlottesville-witnesses-20170815-story.html

While only quasi-related, The Atlantic, a fairly liberal / Progressive magazine, agrees with me.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violent-left/534192/

And I quote:

An article in The Nation argued that “to call Trumpism fascist” is to realize that it is “not well combated or contained by standard liberal appeals to reason.” The radical left, it said, offers “practical and serious responses in this political moment.”

Those responses sometimes spill blood. Since antifa is heavily composed of anarchists, its activists place little faith in the state, which they consider complicit in fascism and racism. They prefer direct action: They pressure venues to deny white supremacists space to meet. They pressure employers to fire them and landlords to evict them. And when people they deem racists and fascists manage to assemble, antifa’s partisans try to break up their gatherings, including by force.
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So, I got proof. But, I expect you to claim the sources somehow aren't "credible" or that my proof is insufficient (argument from ignorance or possibly a no true Scotsman). I can provide proof, and have.

Also, I acknowledged that those on the radical Right there did violent acts, something you conveniently seem to have ignored (an ad hominem response on your part).
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The LA Times agrees with me...

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-charlottesville-witnesses-20170815-story.html

While only quasi-related, The Atlantic, a fairly liberal / Progressive magazine, agrees with me.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violent-left/534192/

And I quote:



So, I got proof. But, I expect you to claim the sources somehow aren't "credible" or that my proof is insufficient (argument from ignorance or possibly a no true Scotsman). I can provide proof, and have.

Also, I acknowledged that those on the radical Right there did violent acts, something you conveniently seem to have ignored (an ad hominem response on your part).
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I asked for NUMBERS, not links to news stories. In other words, please provide a DOCUMENTED "head count" to back up your plurality claim.
 
Tacomaman said:
I asked for NUMBERS, not links to news stories. In other words, please provide a DOCUMENTED "head count" to back up your plurality claim.
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AH! Now we see what I suggested would happen. This is a combination of fallacies, mostly in the form of:

First, a No True Scotsman in that it takes the generalizations I provided then says they prove nothing while not providing any counter examples.

Next, it amounts to Moving the Goalposts. That is, no matter the amount of evidence provided, more specificity is called for or the sources are claimed unreliable.

Then there's, the Continuum Fallacy that argues because the provided proof isn't specific enough it is to be rejected out-of-hand without counter proof or counter argument.

Proof was offered and given. If the proof is insufficient isn't sufficient to simply dismiss it without offering counterproof. Right now, the demand by Tacomaman is a demand for such a specific set of data that it cannot be met. This too leads to a future logical fallacy against him where he's likely to demand Proof of a Negative. That is, when sufficient proof to meet his unreasonable standard is not met he will say the equivalent of "Ah ha! You can't prove what you said, and your partial proofs, and alternative proofs are therefore invalid!"

Of course, no proof countering what was offered will be forthcoming. That is Tacomaman won't for a second offer proof that the Right committed more violent acts than the Left offering that to his own standard of proof.

Basically, he's trying to shut down the discussion by the above logical fallacies rather than actually respond to it.
 
Daddyo said:
As I sit here on lockdown with my son in my business preventing looters from destroying or stealing all I have worked for, I thought of a great question for our forum. These piece of crap looting and destroying and rioting are they dems or repubs? Liberals or conservatives?

I know the answer what say you?
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Most are anarchist trash
 
Truth Detector said:
This looting, burning down businesses, rioting and flag burning is owned by the progressive left. The death of black men at the hands of police occur in BLUE States and BLUE state urban shit holes dominated by the Democratic Party of the Jackass. The results of this death lead to the rioting, looting and burning by the losers who support the Democratic Party of the Jackass.

There isn't a Republican in power anywhere NEAR these shit holes.
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Agreed
 
Rioters and looters are not political. They are grabbing for need or greed. It is not a political statement. It has nothing to do with right , it is apolitical. There is really not much looting going on.
 
Truth Detector said:
Where is "here" again??
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Tampa Florida. At the time of that post they had burned close to 30 businesses. Looted stores from walmart to the small guys places like jewelry stores and shoe stores.

There was intel suggesting that the rioters had planned to move from businesses to residential. So while here with one son and the other at work, my wife was home alone. She gets another call from a friend who owns a small spanish meat market a block from our home. They were doing donuts in the street outside of the business and then 6 shots went off. I was on pins and needles. My wife is armed and shoots very good but I'm not there.

It's been quiet here thankfully.
 
Nordberg said:
Nope. Those who vote are mostly Dems because any chance at fixing our racial problems lies with them. Trump and the reds are using them to stir up hate and scare people.
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If you think that progressives or liberals or socialists or whatever you wanna call them are gonna fix racial problems, you are just straight ignoring history. Recent history.
 
Nordberg said:
They do not exist. The FBI said they found no evidence of them in these demonstrations at all. Antifa is against neo-fascists, neo -nazis,white Power types and racists. They are no threat to me and my beliefs.
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Because you are a socialist.
 
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