Rittenhouse… likely not guilty.

Jarod

Jarod

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I'm guessing Rittenhouse will get acquitted, and frankly he probably should get acquitted based on the state of the law. It's going to be hard for a jury to conclusively decide, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he wasn't acting in self defense. The fact that he was a smooth-brained white-supremacist-military-fetishist-small-Dick-energy-LARPer is relevant to the story and how he should be treated by society going forward, but jurors may decide it isn't relevant (assuming they even get to hear about it).

I could be wrong and part of me hopes that I am, but part of me also hopes that if the law provides that he's entitled to claim self-defense under the circumstances he successfully claimed it. The law has the same effect whether popular or not, and the way to fix it is to fix the law, not to twist it so that someone gets wrongfully convicted, even if that person is an inveterate fucknut. 
 
Jarod said:
I'm guessing Rittenhouse will get acquitted, and frankly he probably should get acquitted based on the state of the law. It's going to be hard for a jury to conclusively decide, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he wasn't acting in self defense. The fact that he was a smooth-brained white-supremacist-military-fetishist-small-Dick-energy-LARPer is relevant to the story and how he should be treated by society going forward, but jurors may decide it isn't relevant (assuming they even get to hear about it).

I could be wrong and part of me hopes that I am, but part of me also hopes that if the law provides that he's entitled to claim self-defense under the circumstances he successfully claimed it. The law has the same effect whether popular or not, and the way to fix it is to fix the law, not to twist it so that someone gets wrongfully convicted, even if that person is an inveterate fucknut. 
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Disagreed. The kid is going away for over 5 years and up to 15 or more.

The difference here is that each bullet fired will be adjudicated to be either self-defense or criminal.

Example; someone attacks me with deadly intent and I shoot them twice then walk over and put a third round in their head. The first two rounds are self-defense, the third is murder.

Kyle fired a lot of shots that night, recklessly endangering others by firing into a crowd. Wisconsin law adds a 5 year sentence to such offences. The reasoning being that self-defense is not justification for endangering others.

Notice that the last person shot was pulling a gun. Was he defending himself against a white supremacist who had already shot two people? No charges were filed against Grosskreutz AFAIK.

Here's another factor: Wisconsin does $23B annually in foreign trade. The world is watching to see if justice is done for all.


https://www.npr.org/2021/10/17/1046...yle-rittenhouse-kenosha-wisconsin-jacob-blake
Protester shot by Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha is now suing Wisconsin authorities
At one of the protests, the then 17-year-old Rittenhouse shot and killed two people — Anthony Huber and Joseph Rosenbaum — and wounded Grosskreutz, who says he lost 90% of his right bicep. Prosecutors have charged Rittenhouse with killing the two men and shooting Grosskreutz. Rittenhouse, whose trial has been delayed until November, claims the shootings were in self-defense and has pleaded not guilty.

According to Grosskreutz's federal lawsuit filed in the Eastern District of Wisconsin on Thursday, authorities in Kenosha not only knew that armed vigilantes planned to patrol the protest attended by Black Lives Matter supporters, but also encouraged their participation.

"It was not a mistake that Kyle Rittenhouse would kill two people and maim a third on that evening," the lawsuit claims. "It was a natural consequence of the actions of the Kenosha Police Department and Kenosha Sherriff's office in deputizing a roving militia to 'protect property' and 'assist in maintaining order.'"

Grosskreutz says the coordination between authorities and armed citizens like Rittenhouse deprived the protestors of their constitutional right to freedom of speech, endangering them during the demonstration.
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martin said:
The kid needs just one juror. Almost guaranteed he'll get him, or her.
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The video and forensic evidence will be crucial to a conviction. All it takes is one conviction to send Kyle away for 5 years+.


I'm waiting to see how many domestic terrorists come to testify. Is there any doubt that some of Kyle's friends went to the Insurrection and would love to cut a plea deal in exchange for testimony about everything they know from the inside on Kyle and his terrorist cell?

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Jarod said:
The fact that he was a smooth-brained white-supremacist-military-fetishist-small-Dick-energy-LARPer
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I think you missed some extra left wing talking point idiotic insults.............moron.

Jarod said:
I could be wrong and part of me hopes that I am, but part of me also hopes that if the law provides that he's entitled to claim self-defense under the circumstances he successfully claimed it. The law has the same effect whether popular or not, and the way to fix it is to fix the law, not to twist it so that someone gets wrongfully convicted, even if that person is an inveterate fucknut. 
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what part of the law would your low information big government mindset like to see changed?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Disagreed. The kid is going away for over 5 years and up to 15 or more.

The difference here is that each bullet fired will be adjudicated to be either self-defense or criminal.

Example; someone attacks me with deadly intent and I shoot them twice then walk over and put a third round in their head. The first two rounds are self-defense, the third is murder.

Kyle fired a lot of shots that night, recklessly endangering others by firing into a crowd. Wisconsin law adds a 5 year sentence to such offences. The reasoning being that self-defense is not justification for endangering others.

Notice that the last person shot was pulling a gun. Was he defending himself against a white supremacist who had already shot two people? No charges were filed against Grosskreutz AFAIK.

Here's another factor: Wisconsin does $23B annually in foreign trade. The world is watching to see if justice is done for all.


https://www.npr.org/2021/10/17/1046...yle-rittenhouse-kenosha-wisconsin-jacob-blake
Protester shot by Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha is now suing Wisconsin authorities
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how hard are you going to whine and cry about injustice when he's found not guilty and you realize that it was all about politics??????
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The video and forensic evidence will be crucial to a conviction. All it takes is one conviction to send Kyle away for 5 years+.


I'm waiting to see how many domestic terrorists come to testify. Is there any doubt that some of Kyle's friends went to the Insurrection and would love to cut a plea deal in exchange for testimony about everything they know from the inside on Kyle and his terrorist cell?

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I think the kid has too much going for him. He may be a killer on the inside but on the outside he's personable, youthful and white. If he plays it right, and defense counsel will be sure he does, he'll get off.
Anyway, let's hope the prosecution isn't banking on the jury giving much (or a second's) thought to the State of Wisconsin's foreign trade.
 
martin said:
I think the kid has too much going for him. He may be a killer on the inside but on the outside he's personable, youthful and white. If he plays it right, and defense counsel will be sure he does, he'll get off.
Anyway, let's hope the prosecution isn't banking on the jury giving much (or a second's) thought to the State of Wisconsin's foreign trade.
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While I blame the adults who misled him, our laws don't work like that. Kyle intentionally hooked up with a white supremacist terrorist group, intentionally armed himself and traveled far from home to insert himself into a protest then intentionally shot and killed two Americans, maimed a third and recklessly endangered others.

The only defense is "well, they were BLM". Like the Chauvin case, video and audio will play a major role. I also suspect his former militia buddies will testify for the State for lighter sentences in their own crimes.

I doubt Wisconsin's economy will come up in court. What will come up are the domestic terrorism problem and Kyle's actions that night.
 
Jarod said:
I'm guessing Rittenhouse will get acquitted, and frankly he probably should get acquitted based on the state of the law. It's going to be hard for a jury to conclusively decide, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he wasn't acting in self defense. The fact that he was a smooth-brained white-supremacist-military-fetishist-small-Dick-energy-LARPer is relevant to the story and how he should be treated by society going forward, but jurors may decide it isn't relevant (assuming they even get to hear about it).

I could be wrong and part of me hopes that I am, but part of me also hopes that if the law provides that he's entitled to claim self-defense under the circumstances he successfully claimed it. The law has the same effect whether popular or not, and the way to fix it is to fix the law, not to twist it so that someone gets wrongfully convicted, even if that person is an inveterate fucknut. 
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I hope that you're wrong about this, but fear that you're not.
 
If he gets acquitted, he'll merely face non-judicial justice.
Every gang banger in the mid-west knows his face and his idiot mother's, too.
He won't be around long.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
If he gets acquitted, he'll merely face non-judicial justice.
Every gang banger in the mid-west knows his face and his idiot mother's, too.
He won't be around long.
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I don't think that they would have brought murder charges if the self-defense thing was likely to fly. No doubt the prosecution has accessed the young turd's social media accounts, text messages, phone records, etc. and can show that his trip to destiny was planned in advance, there was discussion of killing the "looters" and "rioters," and of course there's the illegality of him even possessing a firearm, which possession was also planned ahead. No doubt they believed that when he shot ppl, his youth would give him a pass.

It's interesting to think about what our Reichwinger friends here would be saying if the protesters had been a bunch of MAGATs or neo-Nazis (redundant, I know) running amuck -- and Kyle was a teenage black kid who had gotten a gun via a friend and gone there to "protect" the city, and killed a few of them. I'm guessing he would have already been hung from the closest lamp post.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
While I blame the adults who misled him, our laws don't work like that. Kyle intentionally hooked up with a white supremacist terrorist group, intentionally armed himself and traveled far from home to insert himself into a protest then intentionally shot and killed two Americans, maimed a third and recklessly endangered others.

The only defense is "well, they were BLM". Like the Chauvin case, video and audio will play a major role. I also suspect his former militia buddies will testify for the State for lighter sentences in their own crimes.

I doubt Wisconsin's economy will come up in court. What will come up are the domestic terrorism problem and Kyle's actions that night.
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Objectively he’s guilty, but our laws don’t work like that either when it comes to socially loaded jury trials.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Disagreed. The kid is going away for over 5 years and up to 15 or more.

The difference here is that each bullet fired will be adjudicated to be either self-defense or criminal.

Example; someone attacks me with deadly intent and I shoot them twice then walk over and put a third round in their head. The first two rounds are self-defense, the third is murder.

Kyle fired a lot of shots that night, recklessly endangering others by firing into a crowd. Wisconsin law adds a 5 year sentence to such offences. The reasoning being that self-defense is not justification for endangering others.

Notice that the last person shot was pulling a gun. Was he defending himself against a white supremacist who had already shot two people? No charges were filed against Grosskreutz AFAIK.

Here's another factor: Wisconsin does $23B annually in foreign trade. The world is watching to see if justice is done for all.


https://www.npr.org/2021/10/17/1046...yle-rittenhouse-kenosha-wisconsin-jacob-blake
Protester shot by Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha is now suing Wisconsin authorities
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Part of me hopes you are right, but I think this kid, due to his mental illness, was truly afraid for his life and shot these people... the jury can easily say the law means he is innocent.
 
I have served on juries.
That's because serving afforded me no inconvenience, a more rare situation than one might think.

Most jurors are people who are highly inconvenienced by serving but too dumb to understand how to get out of it. Which is pretty fucking easy, by the way.
I'm dead serious. Some of the most stupid people that I've ever encountered have served on juries with me.

Do not put too much faith in educated, professional prosecutors who won't be making the final decision.

We already know that the judge is trying to steer the jury to acquittal. He's made that obvious with preliminary rulings.

I have every faith that Rittenhouse will face justice, but it won't necessarily come at the hands of the judicial system.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I think you missed some extra left wing talking point idiotic insults.............moron.



what part of the law would your low information big government mindset like to see changed?
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I would like to see a person who takes a rifle to a protest, looking to stir something up and cause trouble, who gets scared without justification and murders people.. get convicted.
 
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