Ron Paul and the Alabama straw poll

Check out the other ron paul thread BAC. Ron paul supporters cannot even do basic math.
No, you have a problem with reading comprehension, the article excludes the 20% of the time he didn't vote at all from their figures and states so.
 
No, you have a problem with reading comprehension, the article excludes the 20% of the time he didn't vote at all from their figures and states so.

Agreed I missed that part.
And I am not to petty to apologize , I did so in the other thread and I do so in this thread.

I sincerely apologize for being mistaken.

Ron paul ONLY voted on the republican side for 75% out of 80% of the total votes available to him in the current congress.

But as I stated in the other thread, I do not take kindly to literally being called a liar. by a certain poster.
 
Agreed I missed that part.
And I am not to petty to apologize , I did so in the other thread and I do so in this thread.

I sincerely apologize for being mistaken.

Ron paul ONLY voted on the republican side for 75% out of 80% of the total votes available to him in the current congress.

But as I stated in the other thread, I do not take kindly to literally being called a liar. by a certain poster.

Sorry to repeat myself here but you are making the same mistake you have been making all along.

The 75% is out of 100% of votes. You are choosing not to see and acknowledge that.
 
Nah, he is choosing to stress that he only voted 80% of the time. Of those votes he voted only 75% with the Rs, 25% against it.

I have to re-read the article, but I believe that the 80% is from this Congress while he has been running for President.
 
I'm real comfortable with who this thread makes look stupid.

An award as a "civil libertarian" doesn't make him remotely a libertarian nor is it even defined as libertarianism.

I posted a long line of Feingold's position that are decidely non-libertarian which you chose to ignore. That's cool.

The inescapable reality is that 00000.05%.

And I'm still waiting for you to direct me to your supposed contradictions.

No retard, (this repeated to you enough times and you continue with your dishonest strawman) it does not make him a libertarian. I would jump all over anyone that claimed he was. It makes or, at the least, indicates that he is a civil libertarian.

That contradiction has pointed out to you multiple times, as well. You are evading. Here it is once again... You take offense to calling Feingold a civil libertarian though he agrees with libertarians a great deal on civil liberty issues, because you make the irrelevant point that he disagrees on economics. Meanwhile, you demand that Boortz is a libertarian (no qualification) even though he disagrees in substantive ways.
 
Your point?



Again, this is nothing more than libertarians desperately trying to find credibility by associating themselves with decidely NON-libertarians and claiming them as their own. Obviously, you don't know too much about Feingold.

Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
Voted NO on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
Voted YES on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)
Rated 80% by the ACLU, indicating a pro-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)

Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
Rated 26% by the US COC, indicating an anti-business voting record. (Dec 2003)

Voted YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on $1.15 billion per year to continue the COPS program. (May 1999)
Voted NO on limiting product liability punitive damage awards. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on restricting class-action lawsuits. (Dec 1995)
Voted NO on rejecting racial statistics in death penalty appeals. (May 1994)
Rated 100% by CURE, indicating pro-rehabilitation crime votes. (Dec 2000)
Moratorium on death penalty; more DNA testing. (Mar 2001)
Require DNA testing for all federal executions. (Mar 2001)

Voted YES on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on Educational Savings Accounts. (Mar 2000)
Voted NO on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules. (Mar 1999)
Voted NO on education savings accounts. (Jun 1998)
Voted NO on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997)
Voted NO on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)
Voted NO on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)
Voted YES on national education standards. (Feb 1994)
Rated 91% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes. (Dec 2003)

Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted YES on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
Voted NO on preserving budget for ANWR oil drilling. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on ending discussion of CAFE fuel efficiency standards. (Sep 1999)
Voted NO on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on approving a nuclear waste repository. (Apr 1997)
Voted YES on do not require ethanol in gasoline. (Aug 1994)
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy. (Mar 2004)

Voted YES on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (Sep 2005)
Voted YES on transportation demo projects. (Mar 1998)
Voted YES on reducing funds for road-building in National Forests. (Sep 1997)
Voted YES on continuing desert protection in California. (Oct 1994)
Voted NO on requiring EPA risk assessments. (May 1994)
End commercial whaling and illegal trade in whale meat. (Jun 2001)
Support UNCED Rio Declaration at 2002 conference. (Jul 2002)
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes. (Dec 2003)
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up. (Apr 2004)

Voted YES on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe. (May 2002)
Voted NO on killing a bill for trade sanctions if China sells weapons. (Sep 2000)
Voted NO on cap foreign aid at only $12.7 billion. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on limiting the President's power to impose economic sanctions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on limiting NATO expansion to only Poland, Hungary & Czech. (Apr 1998)
Voted NO on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on ending Vietnam embargo. (Jan 1994)
Multi-year commitment to Africa for food & medicine. (Apr 2001)
Monitor human rights in Uganada-Sudan crisis. (Aug 2004)

Rated 25% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record. (Dec 2002)

Voted YES on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity. (Mar 2006)
Voted YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads. (Mar 2002)
Voted NO on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
Apr 2001)
Voted YES on funding for National Endowment for the Arts. (Aug 1999)
Voted YES on favoring 1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance. (Oct 1997)

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)

Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000. (May 2006)
Voted YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
Voted YES on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
Voted NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on including prescription drugs under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on limiting self-employment health deduction. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on increasing tobacco restrictions. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on Medicare means-testing. (Jun 1997)
Voted YES on medical savings acounts. (Apr 1996)
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record. (Dec 2003)

Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Voted NO on killing an increase in the minimum wage. (Nov 1999)
Voted NO on allowing workers to choose between overtime & comp-time. (May 1997)
Voted NO on replacing farm price supports. (Feb 1996)
Protect overtime pay protections. (Jun 2003)
Rated 100% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record. (Dec 2003)

Voted NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt. (Apr 1999)
Voted NO on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. (May 1998)
Voted NO on allowing personal retirement accounts. (Apr 1998)
Voted NO on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. (May 1996)
Rated 90% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record. (Dec 2003)

Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003)
Voted YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
Voted YES on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)
Voted NO on eliminating the 'marriage penalty'. (Jul 2000)
Voted NO on across-the-board spending cut. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on requiring super-majority for raising taxes. (Apr 1998)
Rated 17% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes. (Dec 2003)

Voted YES on restoring $550M in funding for Amtrak for 2007. (Mar 2006)
Voted YES on disallowing FCC approval of larger media conglomerates. (Sep 2003)
Voted NO on telecomm deregulation. (Feb 1996)

Voted YES on welfare block grants. (Aug 1996)
Voted YES on eliminating block grants for food stamps. (Jul 1996)
Voted NO on allowing state welfare waivers. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on welfare overhaul. (Sep 1995)
Fully fund AmeriCorps. (Jun 2003)

That is a long ass way from being the record of a libertarian.

For those who actually know who Feingold is, he's a liberal who believes in government, Social Security, Civil Rights, and a range of liberal issues that define him as a LIBERAL, not a libertarian.

AND he believes in a socio-ethical responsibility of Americans to each other .. his focus is NOT on the individual .. which is THE defining cut-off for libertarianism. If the person has compassion, spirituality, and feels a sense of responsibility for fellow Americans .. that person is probably not a libertarian.



"Horse shit"????

So not only do you not know who Feingold is, you also don't even know who libertarians are ...

For your edification .. From Antiwar.com, a libertarian site, an article by Joesph Stromberg, noted libertarian writer ...

Liberventionism Rides Again
THE TWISTED TREE OF LIBERTY – INDEED!

http://www.antiwar.com/stromberg/s041302.html

excerpt --



Go here and educate yourself about how widely diverse libertarian opinion is because you don't seem to know.
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-2Ojrgz8zaa.tuoHABvthpbldl6KImA--?cq=1&p=368

Ever heard of Neal Boortz?

Search on the term "liberventionists" or "liberventionism"

Educate yourself



Get real.

I guess you'll now be claiming anyone who didn't vote for republicans or Bush is a libertarian.

Libertarians are closer to republicans than they are to democrats or the left. I'm sure there were more than a few libertarians votin g for Bush and republicans.

Bump... since bawc is as lazy as he is chickenshit.
 
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