Rural MAGA town loses only medical center

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Whoopsie! FAFO magats

Curtis Medical Center to close after 30 years, citing inflation and uncertain federal funding

Citing inflation over the past few years combined with uncertainty of future federal funding, Community Hospital has made the decision to close Curtis Medical Center.

www.knopnews2.com

 

[Truth Detector]

I am sure they will be fine... After all, people do not need healthcare anymore now... trump has promised us miracle beds that will cure all our diseases, and he would not lie would he?

 

[Yakuda]

And that is core Trump country realizing that while Trump enriches himself and his favored Oligarchs at each and every turn with breaks from tariffs and tax cuts he is hurting the poorest in Trump country more than any other citizens in the country.

Over and over every Trump move is attacking the programs and benefits that Trump country relies on more than any other.

And? Do you not realize that after a decade of ranting against trump for everything nobody gives a shit anymore? Serious question, do you really think normal people care what you're whining about? We see how you idiots behave. You know that right? You're not invisible even if you close your eyes.

 

[Truth Detector]

You can't reason with LEFTIST fools

FIFY

 

[ZenMode]

I don't think 'what matters' is what you deem acceptable and is instead the actual data on how it translates to increased deaths and serious lifelong injuries.

I think you reply should instead be to tell us if you are 'OK' with these increased deaths and lifelong injuries and find them acceptable?



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AI Summary:

There’s substantial evidence that greater distance or longer prehospital time is linked to higher mortality, especially for time-sensitive conditions (trauma, cardiac arrest, sepsis, obstetric emergencies). The effect is strongest for emergencies where minutes matter; for less time-sensitive care (routine/chronic care) the evidence is mixed. Below I summarize key findings, give numbers you can use, and list practical policy/clinical implications.

What the research shows — headline findings​

• Longer travel distance correlates with higher all-cause mortality in many settings.
  Example: a population study found ~1% absolute increase in mortality per 10 km increase in straight-line distance to care. PMC+1
• Longer prehospital time (dispatch → hospital) is associated with higher trauma mortality.
  In a cohort study from trauma registries, odds of death rose ~8% for every 10-minute increase in total prehospital time. (I.e., time matters in trauma systems.) JAMA Network+1
• For out-of-hospital cardiac arrest (OHCA) and similarly time-sensitive events, shorter EMS response and shorter scene/transport times improve survival. Several studies and reviews report that each minute of delay increases mortality (varies by study; some report ~2% per minute or other estimates depending on outcome). ScienceDirect+1
• Inter-hospital transfer and longer time to definitive care increase mortality for conditions like sepsis and major hemorrhage. Transferred rural sepsis patients show higher mortality vs those directly at definitive centers. Time to definitive hemostasis is also linked to survival. PMC+1
• For non-urgent, preventive, or chronic care the evidence is mixed. Systematic reviews find associations between greater travel time and reduced utilization of preventive services (antenatal visits, screening) and some poorer outcomes, but restructuring that increases distance hasn’t always shown population-level mortality increases; quality of evidence is variable. BMJ Open+1

Representative quantitative results you can quote​

• ~1% absolute increase in mortality per 10 km (population-level study). PMC+1
• ~8% higher odds of death per 10-minute increase in prehospital time (trauma registry cohort). JAMA Network
• Per-minute increases in EMS response/prehospital times have been linked to a few-percent increases in mortality for trauma/OHCA in multiple studies (magnitude varies by condition and study). ScienceDirect+1

I've asked this before and haven't received an answer...

If the government doesn't build a Curtis Children's Hospital in Curtis, does that mean they are ok with children not getting the medical care they need and are ok with children dying?

What about a cancer center? Should the government build a cancer center in Curtis and every other small, rural town in the country?

 

[Truth Detector]

I've asked this before and haven't received an answer...

If the government doesn't build a Curtis Children's Hospital in Curtis, does that mean they are ok with children not getting the medical care they need and are ok with children dying?

What about a cancer center? Should the government build a cancer center in Curtis and every other small, rural town in the country?

straw man
noun

1: a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted
2: a person set up to serve as a cover for a usually questionable transaction

dumb
adjective
\ ˈdəm \

1a: lacking intelligence : STUPID

b: showing a lack of intelligence

c: requiring no intelligence

d: not having the capability to process data

 

[Noking]

And? Do you not realize that after a decade of ranting against trump for everything nobody gives a shit anymore? Serious question, do you really think normal people care what you're whining about? We see how you idiots behave. You know that right? You're not invisible even if you close your eyes.

You are the epitome of the way that idiots behave.

 

[QP!]

And? Do you not realize that after a decade of ranting against trump for everything nobody gives a shit anymore? Serious question, do you really think normal people care what you're whining about? We see how you idiots behave. You know that right? You're not invisible even if you close your eyes.

You got things a bit backwards here.

No one cares about your ranting about Trump and how victimized you feel.

It is Farmers and other Rural folk in magat country who are "ranting" at how Trump is harming them despite them voting for him.

And i get it, as you are so deep in the Trump cult you do not care if he hurts his base and you do not care if they care, but where you make a mistake due to your cult beliefs is thinking it does not matter.

You are too stupid to understand the above and just close your eyes to reality.

 

[QP!]

I've asked this before and haven't received an answer...

If the government doesn't build a Curtis Children's Hospital in Curtis, does that mean they are ok with children not getting the medical care they need and are ok with children dying?

What about a cancer center? Should the government build a cancer center in Curtis and every other small, rural town in the country?

The better question is about government priorities as they spend tax payer dollars.

Trump has big priorities, and while he claimed in the election campaigning that it was 'the forgotten rural parts of america', it is undeniable now that he will shift tax payer from them, harming them the most, to his selected Oligarchs who pay him tribute and give him personal gifts.

He is shifting the nations tax base recipients by giving exemption after exemption to the most wealthy Oligarchs while taking that tax money from rural hospitals and other social services that magats rely on more than any other.,

So i would say you have been fooled by this discussion into arguing 'are these expenditures "needed", "justifiable", "etc", from one of 'this is our tax money and it should benefit us".

BTW that is EXACTLY what top magat government officials want you to do. They would like you to go thru and say 'cut health care', 'cut education', 'cut all social spending', because you think it is not needed while NOT THEN SEEING they then give all those tax dollars to the uber rich. Which is why in Trumps 1st term the debt and deficit surged to new records even pre covid.

Even if you (collective "you") think the programs are wasteful and inefficient and need rationalization, if you do not care more that they are not taking these "Savings" and paying down the debt and instead are just making the 1% even richer than you are the dupe they were hoping for.

 

[cawacko]

I am only trying to understand your question and if "understanding" equals a fight, then ..ok, i guess.

YOu seem stuck on a point, that makes no sense to me which is 'if government does something that hurts all areas...it therefore cannot be political'.

I happen to think that point you keep repeating is so deeply flawed it needs to be addressed and either proven or discarded.

For instance Trumps use of tariffs is a political one, and yet they deeply hurt the entire country. The former does not exclude the latter. Do you understand?

My point is not coming through clearly then. I am not claiming politics has zero impact. I am not saying a political decision cannot affect everyone. I am saying that when the same issue has shown up for years in red, blue, and purple states it looks more like an economic problem.

 

[QP!]

My point is not coming through clearly then. I am not claiming politics has zero impact. I am not saying a political decision cannot affect everyone. I am saying that when the same issue has shown up for years in red, blue, and purple states it looks more like an economic problem.

Let me digress and use what i think is a more simple but clear example and see if this helps...


Delivering services, whether it be Postal delivery or healthcare, will always have challenges if you view it thru a 'Profit Model' and that is a problem in the US.

Postal delivery can be enormously profitable in dense large cities and very unprofitable in rural areas, but taken as a whole in a non profit model you can run a basically 'break even' model by using the profits from the dense cities to subsidize the delivery in rural areas' and THAT IS NOT A BAD THING, no matter how much Republicans want to collapse it, sell off the very profitable big city routes to private companies while shutting down service to rural communities while claiming they cannot be justified economically

So while it is NOT WRONG to point at the Rural routes as not profitable, calling them unsustainable is WRONG if you look at the service as a 'WHOLE" instead of by parts thing.

Magats may bristle that 'THAT IS SOCIALISM', 'using the profits from one area to cover losses from another', and yes it is, just as so many elements of government are, and MOST 1st world countries manage to do it well whereas the US does not as they focus on 'profit' over 'revenue shifting' in these areas that they SHOULD SEE as non profits.

what the above does not mean is that Rural areas should get the same high level of service as big cities, whether it be postal or healthcare, as i am certain the people knew they tradeoff they were making to begin with, if they chose the rural life.

But what it does mean is we should not be fooled by the greed and profiteering that drives magat politics. Yes healthcare is under increasing challenge nation wide, but the biggest component of that is naked profiteering at all level empowered historically by the GOP and Dems and now by Magats on steroids.

AND THAT IS DUE TO POLITICS FIRST AND FOREMOST! Lobbying and profiteering to allow outsized corporate profits, Insurance company robberies of citizens in an oligarchy system, and other such abuses.

 

[Truth Detector]

You are the epitome of the way that idiots behave.

Projection

The process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another.

dumb
adjective
\ ˈdəm \

1a: lacking intelligence : STUPID

b: showing a lack of intelligence

c: requiring no intelligence

d: not having the capability to process data

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Let me digress and use what i think is a more simple but clear example and see if this helps...


Delivering services, whether it be Postal delivery or healthcare, will always have challenges if you view it thru a 'Profit Model' and that is a problem in the US.

Postal delivery can be enormously profitable in dense large cities and very unprofitable in rural areas, but taken as a whole in a non profit model you can run a basically 'break even' model by using the profits from the dense cities to subsidize the delivery in rural areas' and THAT IS NOT A BAD THING, no matter how much Republicans want to collapse it, sell off the very profitable big city routes to private companies while shutting down service to rural communities while claiming they cannot be justified economically

So while it is NOT WRONG to point at the Rural routes as not profitable, calling them unsustainable is WRONG if you look at the service as a 'WHOLE" instead of by parts thing.

Magats may bristle that 'THAT IS SOCIALISM', 'using the profits from one area to cover losses from another', and yes it is, just as so many elements of government are, and MOST 1st world countries manage to do it well whereas the US does not as they focus on 'profit' over 'revenue shifting' in these areas that they SHOULD SEE as non profits.

what the above does not mean is that Rural areas should get the same high level of service as big cities, whether it be postal or healthcare, as i am certain the people knew they tradeoff they were making to begin with, if they chose the rural life.

But what it does mean is we should not be fooled by the greed and profiteering that drives magat politics. Yes healthcare is under increasing challenge nation wide, but the biggest component of that is naked profiteering at all level empowered historically by the GOP and Dems and now by Magats on steroids.

AND THAT IS DUE TO POLITICS FIRST AND FOREMOST! Lobbying and profiteering to allow outsized corporate profits, Insurance company robberies of citizens in an oligarchy system, and other such abuses.

Poor example. The US constitution requires postal delivery to every town in the US.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 requires Congress to establish post offices and postal roads. So, by law the government has to establish and maintain these.

On the other hand, there's nothing about having to establish medical services or hospitals along the same lines.

When it comes to profit, package delivery services usually outperform the US Post Office in efficiency. If the government ran healthcare, the same thing would happen. Quality would decline and costs would rise.

 

[Into the Night]

Isn't the problem the fact the people can't pay the main problem? Our healthcare system is overpriced? Part of that is a lack of tort reform; if a doctor is negligent and causes harm, don't fine him. Just put him in jail. The cost of malpractice practice insurance is passed to patients through higher medical bills.

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It won't work to think about putting your doctors in jail, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

Trump couldn't care less on the results of his policies regardless of political affiliation. Just ask all the cattle ranchers, farmers and auto workers who voted for him.

You don't get to speak for everyone, Sybil. Omniscience fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

You cannot overregulate some things.

You can overregulate anything, Sybil.

Hospital safety is one of them.

Hospital safety is the responsibility of the hospital, Sybil.

Food safety is another.

Hospitals are not the FDA, Sybil.

They are both under fire from Trump.

The only one not funding the FDA right now is DEMOCRATS, since they've shut down the government.

Doctors cry about malpractice.

Doctors are responsible for the care they provide.

The people they harmed do not.

What people? Void argument fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

What's hurting smaller self supporting hospitals is one, larger competitors are buying into mergers, and two, upgrading to modern equipment is so expensive.

Sometimes, with clinics like this, it's just bad business practices, or the doctor running the thing decides to retire or move to another town.

 

[Into the Night]

So you deadbeats have the county raise your taxes and pay for one.

Look up what the term 'rural' means. You gimps think you're entitled to a having a major hospital every two blocks or something?

In other news, it is usually the local fire depts. whose show up first in most small towns and villages in emergencies, also police, and they usually have subsidies to provide EMTS with equipment and training, and most cities have Careflight choppers that get scrambled to the more serious emergencies. they fly around 125-160 mph.

You want to live in the country, expect inconveniences, Duh.

Democrat deadbeats want socialism. In this case, communism, having the government run hospitals every two blocks or something.

Socialism never works. It is based on theft.

 

[Into the Night]

Do you see a difference between someone like us, who chose to retire to a small town with fewer services/restaurants/doctor specialists/stores, etc. than our former home in St. Louis, and someone who was born here, has family and a home and a decent job, and is happy here? We have the means to move if our hospital suddenly closes up. Others don't. The closest larger city to us with good hospitals and more choice is Green Bay, a four hour drive away.

We like to think America is the best country on Earth. In some ways we are, but when it comes to health care we're often not a lot better than many less-wealthy nations. If it takes taxpayer $$ to provide medical care to our lower-income/rural citizens, we should pony up because we're supposed to all be in this together, right? E pluribus unum and all that.

(R)s have been dying to cut social services for as long as I've been around. Now they're using the fiction that we have to cut Medicaid and other health care because undocumented people are using it. So we harm our own citizens in order to spite some "illegal" residents who we're falsely told are getting something they're not entitled to get.

Socialism doesn't work, ya dumb bird. It is based on theft.

There is no such thing as 'free health care'. TANSTAAFL

 

[Into the Night]

Who said anything about raising taxes

You did.

Who said anything about raising taxed to provide these things?

You did.

Having been a volunteer Firemen and a EMT

I don't believe you. You are a nothing, Tball.

I know what it takes to provide firetrucks and emergency equipment and in this area usually about 60 to 70% of the money needed to purchase these thing are raised by our fire companies , I have been on fund raising drives for longer then you have been alive..

A firetruck is not a hospital or clinic, Tball.