Russia neutralizes Ukraine's air defences, command posts, communications.

moon said:
The point of having civilian leadership is to prevent the military getting mashed when it's inevitable .
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I don't think the Arabs have to submit to the superior Israeli military, should Israel ever invade Lebanon or Jordan. Nor do I think Ukraine has to meekly submit to Invaders. But clearly you have a double standard.

When you posted this thread you rashly assumed Russian military victory was fordained and guaranteed in an overwhelming blitzkrieg .

You were simply wrong. There is no clear evidence Russia is actually winning this war, or will win it. They have yet to capture a significant Ukranian city outside of Kherson.
 
Cypress said:
I don't think the Arabs have to submit to the superior Israeli military, should Israel ever invade Lebanon or Jordan. Nor do I think Ukraine has to meekly submit to Invaders. But clearly you have a double standard.

When you posted this thread you rashly assumed Russian military victory was fordained and guaranteed in an overwhelming blitzkrieg .

You were simply wrong. There is no clear evidence Russia is actually winning this war, or will win it. They have yet to capture a significant Ukranian city outside of Kherson.
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You should start a ' Self-Delusion Society' with an emphasis on mendacity. You're good at that.
 
moon said:
Russia has asked the Ukrainian military to lay down their weapons and go home. Seems like a good plan to me.
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The Ukrainian military is home. If they laid down their weapons, and left, they would have to go to someone else's home. Are you willing to give up your home?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I notice that there are almost no reports on the competence of the Russian Forces, which almost certainly means that they are doing an awesome job.

Unlike American Generals now I figure that the Russian Generals know how to fight.
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There is a lot of desperation in your posts.
 
Why are so many conservatives Putin c*ck suckers?

Hawkeye10 said:
I notice that there are almost no reports on the competence of the Russian Forces, which almost certainly means that they are doing an awesome job.

Unlike American Generals now I figure that the Russian Generals know how to fight.
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You would really have to be a Putin-c*cksucker to believe Putin's military forces have performed awesomely.
 
Celticguy said:
without command and control, its over. just a matter of how many die for no reason.
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Kyiv is less than 100 miles from the border, so the Russians obviously took it on the first day, destroying Ukrainian command and control... Right? It had to have happened like that... Right?
 
Walt said:
Kyiv is less than 100 miles from the border, so the Russians obviously took it on the first day, destroying Ukrainian command and control... Right? It had to have happened like that... Right?
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they tried early on for obvious reasons but were not entirely successful.
as was reported.
 
Matt Dillon said:
That link isn't very good. Have anything else?
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History now. Here's where we're at;

Ukraine and Russia progress on neutrality plan to end war, says report
Russia and Ukraine have made headway on a proposed 15-point peace plan, including a ceasefire and withdrawal of Russian troops if Kyiv declares neutrality and limits its military, the Financial Times reported on Wednesday citing three people party to the negotiations.

The tentative plan, however, which demands a renunciation of Kyiv's ambitions to join NATO and promises not to host foreign military bases or weapons for protection from allies, could be a hurdle in the conclusion of the deal, the individuals said.

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/...ead-of-congress-address-1.10677764#7014590807
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