Russia to annex Kherson Oblast

A couple of mid level State Department guys watching the protests? That's your proof? :laugh:

I was sympathetic to the protestors myself, especially when the government ordered snipers to open fire on them. Does that mean I was part of a coup?
no the phone call AND the meddling at the Maidan make up proof
https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/
Nuland passed out cookies to anti-Yanukovych demonstrators at the Maidan square, reminded Ukrainian business leaders that the US had invested $5 billion in their “European aspirations,” declared “fuck the EU” for its less aggressive approach, and discussed with US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt who the new leaders of Ukraine should be. “Yats is the guy,” she said, referring to Arseniy Yatsenyuk.
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Nuland couldn’t resist the temptation to pull off a “regime change” that she could call her own.

Her husband (and arch-neocon) Robert Kagan had co-founded the Project for the New American Century in 1998 around a demand for “regime change” in Iraq, a project that was accomplished in 2003 with President George W. Bush’s invasion.

As with Nuland in Ukraine, Kagan and his fellow neocons thought they could engineer an easy invasion of Iraq, oust Saddam Hussein and install some hand-picked client – in Iraq, Ahmed Chalabi was to be “the guy.”
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there is also questions about who did the shooting - but I'm sticking with what i know
https://www.quora.com/Who-stood-beh...olice-during-the-Maidan-Revolution-in-Ukraine
 
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The Germans, especially the fucking Greens, are the real culprits here. They forced Germany to go for Russian gas by demanding all nuclear be shut down after Fukushima. Russia would never have had the funds to build up their military otherwise. Can anybody give an instance where Greens have ever done anything good and beneficial? I am fucked to think of any to be honest.
 
no the phone call AND the meddling at the Maidan make up proof
https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/
Nuland passed out cookies to anti-Yanukovych demonstrators at the Maidan square, reminded Ukrainian business leaders that the US had invested $5 billion in their “European aspirations,” declared “fuck the EU” for its less aggressive approach, and discussed with US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt who the new leaders of Ukraine should be. “Yats is the guy,” she said, referring to Arseniy Yatsenyuk.
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Nuland couldn’t resist the temptation to pull off a “regime change” that she could call her own.

Her husband (and arch-neocon) Robert Kagan had co-founded the Project for the New American Century in 1998 around a demand for “regime change” in Iraq, a project that was accomplished in 2003 with President George W. Bush’s invasion.

As with Nuland in Ukraine, Kagan and his fellow neocons thought they could engineer an easy invasion of Iraq, oust Saddam Hussein and install some hand-picked client – in Iraq, Ahmed Chalabi was to be “the guy.”
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there is also questions about who did the shooting - but I'm sticking with what i know
https://www.quora.com/Who-stood-beh...olice-during-the-Maidan-Revolution-in-Ukraine

I don't click on or trust quara dot com links. For weeks, you have been utterly unable to provide proof from a reputable source this was s US government coup. If you had reputable proof, you would have provided it by now.

Handing out cookies to protestors and talking about US investment in Ukraine is not proof of a coup plotted in Washington, and executed on the ground by US government agents.

I don't doubt the USA has a preferences for a pro -western Ukraine government.

I am sure USA wishes all governments on the planet were pro -western.

Preferences and wishing are not even close to being proof of a coup plotted, hatched, and executed by Washington.
 
I don't click on or trust quara dot com links. For weeks, you have been utterly unable to provide proof from a reputable source this was s US government coup. If you had reputable proof, you would have provided it by now.

Handing out cookies to protestors and talking about US investment in Ukraine is not proof of a coup plotted in Washington, and executed on the ground by US government agents.

I don't doubt the USA has a preferences for a pro -western Ukraine government.

I am sure USA wishes all governments on the planet were pro -western.

Preferences and wishing are not even close to being proof of a coup plotted, hatched, and executed by Washington.
the phone call IS the evidence. They were on the ground, McCain and Nuland were encouraging the protestors. The phone call shows they were activists - not just idly standing around with cookies . Nuland instructed Pyatt to choose the rabidly anti-Russian, and far-right, Arseniy Yatsenyuk
I dont care if you dont trust a source
 
foreign NGOs changed little about Ukraine’s corruption and authoritarianism, but achieved the crucial goal of nudging Ukraine’s foreign policy westward. As the liberal Center for American Progress put it that year:

Did Americans meddle in the internal affairs of Ukraine? Yes. The American agents of influence would prefer different language to describe their activities — democratic assistance, democracy promotion, civil society support, etc. — but their work, however labeled, seeks to influence political change in Ukraine.

US officials, unhappy with the scuttled EU deal, saw a similar chance in the Maidan protests. Just two months before they broke out, the NED’s then president, pointing to Yanukovych’s European outreach, wrote that “the opportunities are considerable, and there are important ways Washington could help.” In practice, this meant funding groups like New Citizen, which the Financial Times reported “played a big role in getting the protest up and running,” led by a pro-EU opposition figure. Journalist Mark Ames discovered the organization had received hundreds of thousands of dollars from US democracy promotion initiatives.

While it may be a long time before we know its full extent, Washington took an even more direct role once the turmoil started. Senators John McCain and Chris Murphy met with Svoboda’s fascist leader, standing shoulder to shoulder with him as they announced their support to the protesters, while US assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland handed out sandwiches to them. To understand the provocative nature of such moves, you only need to remember the establishment outrage over the mere idea Moscow had used troll farms to voice support for Black Lives Matter protests.

Later, a leaked phone call showed Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine maneuvering to shape the post-Maidan government. “
https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea

Maidan Revolution remains a messy event that isn’t easy to categorize but is far from what Western audiences have been led to believe. It’s a story of liberal, pro-Western protesters, driven by legitimate grievances but largely drawn from only one-half of a polarized country, entering a temporary marriage of convenience with the far right to carry out an insurrection against a corrupt, authoritarian president. The tragedy is that it served largely to empower literal neo-Nazis while enacting only the goals of the Western powers that opportunistically lent their support — among which was the geopolitical equivalent of a predatory payday loan.

It’s a story tragically common in post–Cold War Europe, of a country maimed and torn apart when its political and social divisions were used and wrenched further apart in the tussle of great power rivalry. And the Western failure to understand it has led us to a point where Washington continues to recklessly involve itself in a place full of shadowy motives, shifting allegiances, and where little is what it seems on the surface.

Western involvement helped bring the country to this crisis. There’s little reason to think it’ll now get it out.
 
Do you want the news or not ?

You don't seem to have a lot of supporters on this forum. Both the lefties and righties not to mention people of the Jewish faith, never seem to come to your defense. Ever think you have made a lot of bad choices in life?


Fill in your childish idiotic response below,
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You don't seem to have a lot of supporters on this forum. Both the lefties and righties not to mention people of the Jewish faith, never seem to come to your defense. Ever think you have made a lot of bad choices in life?


Fill in your childish idiotic response below,
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moon and myself couldn't have different worldviews
-except for the western hegemony over Ukraine and NATO expansion.

Primavera and myself have very close views ( and I consider him a friend)
but we differed on Libya to an extent and we have opposing views on Russia.

Like they say in chess "play the board -not against the man"
 
moon and myself couldn't have different worldviews
-except for the western hegemony over Ukraine and NATO expansion.

Primavera and myself have very close views ( and I consider him a friend)
but we differed on Libya to an extent and we have opposing views on Russia.

Like they say in chess "play the board -not against the man"

Chess experts also say, "at the end of the game the King and the pawns go into the same box".
 
Chess experts also say, "at the end of the game the King and the pawns go into the same box".
never heard that one, and that looks to be more about equality
the point is analysis should be driven by what's on the board, not what you think of the other player
 
the phone call IS the evidence. They were on the ground, McCain and Nuland were encouraging the protestors. The phone call shows they were activists - not just idly standing around with cookies . Nuland instructed Pyatt to choose the rabidly anti-Russian, and far-right, Arseniy Yatsenyuk
I dont care if you dont trust a source

Wow!! You came up empty for about the 34th time.

I would be empathizing with protestors too, if they were getting shot at by government snipers.

I daresay most citizens of democratic countries would sympathize with protestors being shot by government snipers

That doesn't do Jack shit to prove there was an American plot hatched in Washington to implement a coup.

Your claims have been fact checked, and the fact you can provide no reputable link proving a coup was plotted, hatched, and executed by Washington is a clear indication no proof exists.


US State Department, though it's USAID agency spent two decades giving money to Russia to help them establish civil institutions, improve health care, and improve civilian technology.
https://www.usaid.gov/news-information/fact-sheets/usaid-russia

That is part and parcel of Americans soft power. Our USAID aid to Russia didn't mean we were executing a coup against them.
 
Wow!! You came up empty for about the 34th time.

I would be empathizing with protestors too, if they were getting shot at by government snipers.

I dare say most citizens of democratic countries would sympathize with protestors being shot by government snipers

That doesn't do Jack shit to prove there was an American plot hatched in Washington to implement a coup.

Your claims have been fact checked, and the fact you can provide no reputable link proving a coup was plotted, hatched, and executed by Washington is a clear indication no proof exists.


US State Department, though it's USAID agency spent two decades giving money to Russia to help them establishe civil institutions, improve health care, and improve civilian technolog.

That is part and parcel of Americans soft power. Our USAID aid to Russia didn't mean we were executing a coup against them.
the point is why were so many neocons on the ground?
How many neocons does it take to hand out food?
And Id watch the sniper stuff,there is evidence against it - if you ever bothered to do any research to challenge your own pre-conceptons doubtless you see what you dont want to see..

The phone call is the smoking gun. Nuland was on regime change like white on rice
and she didnt care to partner with the EU -her's was USA all the way just like Kagan Pyatt, Mccain and herself
McCain ought to clue you in as well,.this was the guy who looked at regime change like changing your dirty socks

here is the geopolitics:
https://progressive.org/latest/us-reaping-sowed-in-ukraine-benjamin-davies-220201/
The U.S. coup was calculated to put Russia in an impossible position. If Russia did nothing, a post-coup Ukraine would sooner or later join NATO, as NATO members had already agreed to in principle in 2008. NATO forces would advance right up to Russia’s border, and Russia’s important naval base at Sevastopol in the Crimea would fall under NATO control.

On the other hand, if Russia had responded to the coup by invading Ukraine, there would have been no turning back from a disastrous new war with the West.
 
You don't seem to have a lot of supporters on this forum. Both the lefties and righties not to mention people of the Jewish faith, never seem to come to your defense. Ever think you have made a lot of bad choices in life?


Are YOU here to find pals ?


I'll help you-
Hey- anybody want to befriend a sad-sac meme moron ?



Haw, haw, haw, haw, haw......................................haw.
 
the point is why were so many neocons on the ground?
How many neocons does it take to hand out food?
And Id watch the sniper stuff,there is evidence against it - if you ever bothered to do any research to challenge your own pre-conceptons doubtless you see what you dont want to see..

The phone call is the smoking gun. Nuland was on regime change like white on rice
and she didnt care to partner with the EU -her's was USA all the way just like Kagan Pyatt, Mccain and herself
McCain ought to clue you in as well,.this was the guy who looked at regime change like changing your dirty socks

here is the geopolitics:
https://progressive.org/latest/us-reaping-sowed-in-ukraine-benjamin-davies-220201/
The U.S. coup was calculated to put Russia in an impossible position. If Russia did nothing, a post-coup Ukraine would sooner or later join NATO, as NATO members had already agreed to in principle in 2008. NATO forces would advance right up to Russia’s border, and Russia’s important naval base at Sevastopol in the Crimea would fall under NATO control.

On the other hand, if Russia had responded to the coup by invading Ukraine, there would have been no turning back from a disastrous new war with the West.

So, for about the 38th time in a row, still no link to a reputable news source proving a coup hatched, plotted, and executed by the Americans government.

Cookies and a phone call are not even remotely good evidence of a vast coup plotted and hatched by the Americans government.

Cookies and a phone call is actually a freaking joke
 
So, for about the 38th time in a row, still no link to a reputable news source proving a coup hatched, plotted, and executed by the Americans government.

Cookies and a phone call are not even remotely good evidence of a vast coup plotted and hatched by the Americans government.

Cookies and a phone call is actually a freaking joke
nobody said it was "hatched", but it was hijacked. and it wasn't a vast plot -it was simply Independence Square. I personally think Nuland and Kagan were there to see what they could accomplish. McCain was there as he always was -ready for regime change
Why so many neocons? The only reason was to stir the pot, not to hand out food.

Use some logic and dont rely on the western press.
If I had relied on the western press i'd (along with BAC) would have never found out the truth
that The US role in Libya, confirmed by WIKILEAKS of Clintons Emails -was always for regime change

But you got your PDS agenda, so this is talking to a stone wall. enjoy the consequences of the war.
Maybe you'll get your desire regime change as well
 
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