Russian armor closes in on ' fortress ' Kyiv.

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I have been noticing a trend here.

Isn't that what the judges who signed those restraining orders said, sex pest?

I am not convinced the Ukrainians are losing this war, at least in any strategic sense.

You weren't convinced that "no means no" either, were you?
 
Uh, that was us, too.

The bombing of Dresden was a British-American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, during World War II.

In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 772 heavy bombers of the Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.

The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed more than 1,600 acres of the city center. An estimated 22,700 to 25,000 people were killed. Three more USAAF air raids followed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

I know,...but the RAF is usually always mentioned first when talking about Dresden.
 
They were building airstrips in Grenada capable of landing Soviet Heavy Bombers. Cuban Engineers were there doing the work, they had a little light infantry with them, not much,...they thought thats all they needed. They were wrong,...the eye in the sky sees everything...

Poor McSuckit. :rofl2:

That's gonna leave a mark.

:magagrin:
 
I have been noticing a trend here.

The same people who swore Putin would never invade Ukraine, the same people who predicted a rapid and overwhelming Russian victory, are the exact same people demanding that Ukraine immediately run up the white flag and surrender their territory and their sovereignty.

I am not convinced the Ukrainians are losing this war, at least in any strategic sense.

I didn't think he'd do it, but Ukraine should fight to the last because it's gone too far already.
 
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Ding ding ding. Monroe doctrine. Hey Soviet Union,....we can ring the Warsaw pact with missile after missile, including nukes in Turkey but dont you dare put as much as a BB gun in our entire hemisphere!

But McSuckit doesn't see what that has to do with the situation in Ukraine.

:laugh:

Have a nice day!

:magagrin:
 
If somebody invaded here I would fight to the last. Nothing to lose.

So you say. But nobody is invading here.

Yet you feel qualified to urge other people to get killed in a country you've never been to and couldn't find on an unlabeled map with both hands and a flashlight, right?
 
So you say. But nobody is invading here.

Yet you feel qualified to urge other people to get killed in a country you've never been to and couldn't find on an unlabeled map with both hands and a flashlight, right?

Oh! Guess what came in the mail today?
 
If somebody invaded here I would fight to the last. Nothing to lose.

So would I. Thats why this whole thing never should have gotten started. This could have all been negotiated out before a single shot was ever fired. IMO ALL sides are at least partially at fault. Mostly Russia, but ukraine too, as well as NATO. But Biden.....he's REALLY at fault here. I think that Ukraine holds a ton of dirt on Joe and Hunter,....for that reason Ukraine never thought Joe would leave them hanging by not entering the war.
 
They were building airstrips in Grenada capable of landing Soviet Heavy Bombers. Cuban Engineers were there doing the work, they had a little light infantry with them, not much,...they thought thats all they needed. They were wrong,...the eye in the sky sees everything...:laugh:

Sorry man...I am not buying that was the reason for the invasion.

'The Bishop government began constructing the Point Salines International Airport with the help of Britain, Cuba, Libya, Algeria, and other nations. The British government proposed the airport in 1954 when Grenada was still a British colony. Canadians designed it, the British government underwrote it, and a London firm built it.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada

And why would the Soviets station bombers on Grenada when they could station them on Cuba that was FAR closer to US bases than Grenada was?

Reagan was a great President in many ways.

But it was common knowledge he was paranoid about Communism.
Had been for years.
Grenada might have been a threat to Central America.
But NOT America.

Even the Iron Lady disapproved of it:

'The invasion was criticized by many countries. British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher privately disapproved of the mission and the lack of notice that she received, but she publicly supported it.[14] The United Nations General Assembly condemned it as "a flagrant violation of international law" on 2 November 1983 by a vote of 108 to 9.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada

You want to be for it - fine.
But I am from the Ron Paul school of 'stay the fuck out of other people's business'.
 
So would I. Thats why this whole thing never should have gotten started. This could have all been negotiated out before a single shot was ever fired. IMO ALL sides are at least partially at fault. Mostly Russia, but ukraine too, as well as NATO. But Biden.....he's REALLY at fault here. I think that Ukraine holds a ton of dirt on Joe and Hunter,....for that reason Ukraine never thought Joe would leave them hanging by not entering the war.

Yep.

Just like the guys JFK sent into the Bay of Pigs didn't think he'd leave them in the lurch. But he did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Kennedy's_operational_approval

The moral of the story?

Never trust a DEMOCRAT.
 
So would I. Thats why this whole thing never should have gotten started. This could have all been negotiated out before a single shot was ever fired. IMO ALL sides are at least partially at fault. Mostly Russia, but ukraine too, as well as NATO. But Biden.....he's REALLY at fault here. I think that Ukraine holds a ton of dirt on Joe and Hunter,....for that reason Ukraine never thought Joe would leave them hanging by not entering the war.

You are so wrong. This is a war of choice decided by one person based on lies. that is Putin. Biden has nothing to do with it. NATO has attacked nobody. It is a defensive organization that was created to help allies fight against potential Russian aggression. They were right to form it, weren't they? What did Ukraine do but start to accept a Democratic form of government? They had that choice until Putin chaged it. Putin does not want a democracy next door. It would be an example that would threaten his country because Russians go there and would see how you can actually have freedoms.
 
I have been noticing a trend here.

The same people who swore Putin would never invade Ukraine, the same people who predicted a rapid and overwhelming Russian victory, are the exact same people demanding that Ukraine immediately run up the white flag and surrender their territory and their sovereignty.

I am not convinced the Ukrainians are losing this war, at least in any strategic sense.

1) Well then, you are not talking about me.
I swore Putin would never be dumb enough to invade Ukraine (I was wrong there).
But I do not recall ever thinking it would be an easy go.
I said the opposite actually.

2) And all Russia is demanding is Kiev Stop shelling the Donbass and let the natives have it.
Leave Crimea alone.
And not join NATO.
Big deal.

But if Zelenskyy doesn't give in on those things?
He could end up losing the entire country.

I doubt Putin will be so eager to pull his troops out if it cost a TON of them dying to take Kiev.


3) And you think Kiev is NOT losing the war?

Ukraine_map_2022_03_11.jpg


I don't know what you are basing that on?
Russia looks like they are doing fine to me.
Considering they are only using about 170,000 troops.
 
I have been noticing a trend here.

The same people who swore Putin would never invade Ukraine, the same people who predicted a rapid and overwhelming Russian victory, are the exact same people demanding that Ukraine immediately run up the white flag and surrender their territory and their sovereignty.

I am not convinced the Ukrainians are losing this war, at least in any strategic sense.

They parked their armies on the Russian border with the warning- ' we do not intend to invade Ukraine ' What was missing was ' Unless...' That was obvious from the start. Then the Donbas was repeatedly attacked with NATO-supplied weapons by Ukrainian neo-Nazis and then the US initiated ' pre-emptive sanctions '
I don't recall the Russians making any predictionds at all.

Yes, Ukraine should have capitulated on Day One. Now look what NATO has done.
 
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