Russian Forces Decimated in Tank Battle

[martin]

"A three-week battle on a plain near the coal-mining town of Vuhledar in southern Ukraine produced what Ukrainian officials say was the biggest tank battle of the war so far, and a stinging setback for the Russians.

In the extended battle, both sides sent tanks into the fray, rumbling over dirt roads and maneuvering around tree lines, with the Russians thrusting forward in columns and the Ukrainians maneuvering defensively, firing from a distance or from hiding places as Russian columns came into their sights.

When it was over, not only had Russia failed to capture Vuhledar, but it also had made the same mistake that cost Moscow hundreds of tanks earlier in the war: advancing columns into ambushes.
eBlown up on mines, hit with artillery or obliterated by anti-tank missiles, the charred hulks of Russian armored vehicles now litter farm fields all about Vuhledar, according to Ukrainian military drone footage. Ukraine’s military said Russia had lost at least 130 tanks and armored personnel carriers in the battle," according to uncontradicted reports from Ukrainian officials...".


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/01/world/europe/ukraine-russia-tanks.html

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

There's no excuse for that with modern surveillance means. They've got drones, helicopters, satellites to spot where an ambush might be. Are they THAT incompetent at warfare?

 

[Noking]

"A three-week battle on a plain near the coal-mining town of Vuhledar in southern Ukraine produced what Ukrainian officials say was the biggest tank battle of the war so far, and a stinging setback for the Russians.

In the extended battle, both sides sent tanks into the fray, rumbling over dirt roads and maneuvering around tree lines, with the Russians thrusting forward in columns and the Ukrainians maneuvering defensively, firing from a distance or from hiding places as Russian columns came into their sights.

When it was over, not only had Russia failed to capture Vuhledar, but it also had made the same mistake that cost Moscow hundreds of tanks earlier in the war: advancing columns into ambushes.
eBlown up on mines, hit with artillery or obliterated by anti-tank missiles, the charred hulks of Russian armored vehicles now litter farm fields all about Vuhledar, according to Ukrainian military drone footage. Ukraine’s military said Russia had lost at least 130 tanks and armored personnel carriers in the battle," according to uncontradicted reports from Ukrainian officials...".


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/01/world/europe/ukraine-russia-tanks.html

Moon isn't going to like this.

 

[martin]

There's no excuse for that with modern surveillance means. They've got drones, helicopters, satellites to spot where an ambush might be. Are they THAT incompetent at warfare?

So far incompetence seems to be their bottom line. That and plain brutality.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

So far incompetence seems to be their bottom line. That and plain brutality.

Wouldn't you like to hear the spin Russian state media is putting on it? "Today we celebrate another glorious victory on the battlefield!" with pics of burning tanks that they claim are Ukraine's but aren't. lol

 

[Cypress]

I imagine Russia's experienced veteran tank crews are long dead, and the rookies are operating with older vintage Cold War era tanks, making them even more vulnerable.

 

[moon]

Moon isn't going to like this.

I don't support war- and I don't support NATO. That does not mean that I support Russia.

That's probably way over your flat head.



Haw, haw.............................haw.

 

[Flash]

I don't support war- and I don't support NATO. That does not mean that I support Russia.

If you don't support war you obviously don't support Russia's invasion.

 

[moon]

Let me know who wins;

Sky News reports from the town in the Donetsk region, where Ukrainian defenders survive in a desolate place of burned out buildings under relentless attack by Russian forces.

https://news.sky.com/story/inside-t...frontline-where-everything-is-bombed-12821454

 

[Flash]

I imagine Russia's experienced veteran tank crews are long dead, and the rookies are operating with older vintage Cold War era tanks, making them even more vulnerable.

It will get worse when the German and U. S. tanks arrive.

 

[moon]

If you don't support war you obviously don't support Russia's invasion.

Nor NATO for instigating it.

 

[martin]

Nor NATO for instigating it.

How did NATO instigate it? Russia annexed Crimea, then invaded Ukraine.

 

[moon]

How did NATO instigate it? Russia annexed Crimea, then invaded Ukraine.

NATO Chief Admits: “War Didn’t Start In February Last Year, The War Started In 2014”

https://www.newswars.com/nato-chief...n-february-last-year-the-war-started-in-2014/

Pope Francis Says NATO Started War in Ukraine by ‘Barking at Putin’s Door’

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pope-fran...9Fzr9s4HMk6dpv-OJ71AvuOL_OtT3cUMyzr-9mqCUasVU

 

[Cypress]

It will get worse when the German and U. S. tanks arrive.

I'm not sure if the quantity of tanks being provided is enough to provide a decisive strategic advantage

 

[Cypress]

Nor NATO for instigating it.

Tell the board exactly how many NATO or Ukrainian troops are now standing on sovereign Russian territory.

 

[LV426]

There's no excuse for that with modern surveillance means. They've got drones, helicopters, satellites to spot where an ambush might be. Are they THAT incompetent at warfare?

If you listen to Moon, he'll tell you that losing battles is how Russia wins the war.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Nor NATO for instigating it.

Your comment is meritless!

NATO did not invade any country!

 

[LV426]

I don't support war

Except that you do support war...you're supporting Russia's war right now.

This is what I am talking about when I say that you are a hypocrite.

and I don't support NATO.

Why? What is your reason?

That does not mean that I support Russia

You've been supporting Russia this whole time by repeating their false justifications for invading Ukraine.

That's probably way over your flat head.

No, you're just fucking lying because now that it seems like Russia is going to lose, you're trying to make yourself look better now after spending the last 12 months pretending Russia was going to win and was justified in invading their neighbor.

 

[LV426]

If you don't support war you obviously don't support Russia's invasion.

Except that he does, having spent the last 12 months repeating Russia's excuses for the invasion.

The SAME excuses he attacks Israel for using to justify their occupation, which he opposes.

 

[LV426]

Nor NATO for instigating it.

"Look what you made me do" is not going to convince anyone of the legitimacy of Russia's invasion.