moon
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The Holy Father was, by nature, being diplomatic. A coup, eight years of shelling and 14,000 dead Ukrainians is a tad more serious than a dog bark.
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The Holy Father was, by nature, being diplomatic. A coup, eight years of shelling and 14,000 dead Ukrainians is a tad more serious than a dog bark.
The trouble with that is the shelling wasn't against Russia.
On the other hand, I don't disagree the U.S., hence NATO, stuck its nose in where it doesn't belong, as we too often have done.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Not directly, in geographical terms- but the Donbas was the stronghold of pro-Russian Ukrainians rebelling against the coup and the ousting of their elected president. Naturally, the Russians had an obligation to try to protect those people and so supported them.
Yes. That's why I oppose NATO as a self-fulfilling prophesy. Russia and Germany were becoming well-integrated, commercially, setting a precedent for the rest of Europe. Biden chose to disrupt that.
Some might say that it is better to be at war with Russia than to allow that integration to happen. These nuts are actually leading us all by the nose.
saltydancin
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"Back in the US, back in the US, back in the USSR" of Russia's Orthodox Church rootin' tootin' Putin Ukraine expungings like SCOTUS Rehnquist Christian Nation Fourth Reich July 9/11 national religion of lynching Washington , D.C. born USA citizens expunging National Archives US Constitution Bill of Rights - old glories - old testaments - absentee voting ballots of their "man is God" suicidal super ego sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming "Let It Be" Nazi Christiananality pedophilia economics of those crooks on Capital Hill....
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
his only interest in Ukraine is establishing autonomous control for the Muslims in the eastern regions that Putin is "liberating".....
moon
Satire for Sanity
Says a voice from the Islamophobic rubber room.
Dutch Uncle
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How so? You don't see Russia's attacks on neighboring nations over the past few decades as a problem for everyone? If China invaded Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam, would you disagree with other nations sticking their nose in it?
I think we should be less adventuresome east of Western Europe. Our wars in Vietnam and Iraq were wrong.
Dutch Uncle
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Vietnam was wrongly handled by the Democratic President. Iraq in 1991 was just, Iraq in 2003 was flat out wrong. Bush the Lesser effectively did to Iraq what Japan did to the US in December 1941.
That said, are you stating that you support doing nothing about Russia's invasion of surrounding nations? That you also support doing nothing if China began invading all of those nations adjacent to it's territory?
Would you be for or against a strongly worded letter of protest if Russia began expanding it's territory across Europe?
Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia voluntarily on their own requested NATO membership. Nobody coerced them.
And given the military aggression Putin has engaged in against Georgia and Ukraine, it is perfectly understandable why citizens of Eastern Europe would want to join a defensive security alliance.
I said "less adventuresome" and gave two examples of going too far. I support our aid to Ukraine, have indicated that many times here.
Dutch Uncle
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Iraq was a huuuuuge mistake, a mistake supported by prominent Democrats in Congress. Yes, I agree on the US not attacking other nations without cause. Afghanistan being a legitimate example of the US taking action against those who attacked us first.
That said, why do you think the US and NATO stuck its nose where it doesn't belong?
Agreed
We tend of act more as a leader than a member of NATO. This is symptomatic of the hubris that led us into Iraq. Madeline Albright summed up this attitude when she said, “If we have to use force, it is because we are America: we are the indispensable nation. We stand tall and we see further than other countries into the future, and we see the danger here to all of us.”
Maybe that was more a case of going over the top than summing it but it's still reflective of a national attitude that keeps getting us into trouble.
Dutch Uncle
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Even our allies didn't like the Iraq invasion. You and I are agreed it was a major mistake.
What does that have to do with these comments?:
Geeko Sportivo
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Sure;
Now fuck off and don't troll me again.
You may want to just wise your ass up!
Putin has been festering with resentment since the 1990s that Ukraine declared it's independence.
Vlad blames Lenin and the Bolsheviks for even recognizing there was a distinct Ukranian cultural identity.
Putin sees Ukraine, and especially Kyiv, as essentially Russian and Russian territory, ground zero for East Slavic civilization. He sees himself as having a mission to gather up all the East Slavic peoples under the leadership of Moscow.
That messianic vision exists independently of NATO, Biden, or the EU.
Pres. Grant said any politician who speaks out against a war that is surely coming, does so at the expense of their career.
moon
Satire for Sanity
You just trolled yourself onto my thread-ban list.
Dutch Uncle
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Are you saying war with Iraq was inevitable?