SCOTUS protects marriage equality

[Into the Night]

Are you not aware that the past is not the present? Do you not have a relevant question about the present?

He doesn't understand the past either, obviously.

 

[ZenMode]

Ok you're off the topic now. It's a simple matter that the law didn't prevent gays from marrying because they were gay. No one could marry someone if the same sex. Want was never a factor in the application of the law.

Great, so then you'd be ok with changing all laws to allow same-sex marriage under the term "marriage", so that all legally recognized couples are recognized equally, right?

For you, this is ONLY a question of legality?

 

[Into the Night]

Am I aware that the past is not the present?

You don't know? Looks like IBDaMann's suspicions are correct!

Tell me again what the basis is for your definition of marriage being only a man and woman?

RQAA

 

[ZenMode]

You don't know? Looks like IBDaMann's suspicions are correct!

RQAA

Look, I don't give one shit, much less two shits what you think because your argument is by far the dumbest of them all.

"Well, garsh....marriage meant a man and woman thousands of years ago, so me guesses we just have to stick with it!"

 

[ZenMode]

You're getting angry friend. The law is the only thing that matters. You're refusal to answer my question is disappointing.

Its not about who you can marry it's about what is a marriage.

Whatever you say, you little Americini!

 

[Into the Night]

Right, so telling a gay person that equality is available to them,

It isn't, obviously, since you are miserable.

as long as they be something they aren't,

So...since you're miserable, you think everyone else is miserable? You are sadly mistaken.

is like telling a black slave that freedom is available to them,

It isn't. You obviously don't understand slavery.

as long as they be something they aren't: white and not a slave.

Slavery isn't a skin color, Void.

And therein lies the problem.

What problem? Your random wanderings?

You are willing to deny equality

No at all. 4=4, an equality.

based on the opinions of iron age men

Smelting and processing iron doesn't require a lot of math, they have apparently a better understanding of it than you do!

who sacrificed animals to change the weather

What do ironworkers have to do your weird beliefs?

and couldn't explain where the sun went at night.

You don't know? The Sun doesn't go anywhere! You should look at the next full Moon to see evidence of it.

Their "strong rationale" behind marriage was related to social and economic security and ensuring an heir for family property and money.

Who is 'they'?

The hatred of gays is separate and based on what they believed was the opinion of the Sky Wizard.

You blame your hatred of happy people on a 'sky wizard'?

Same-sex marriage

No such thing.

has been in existence for a decade

No such thing.

and do you know what has changed for society? Absolutely nothing.

I disagree. Democrats have moved so far into the night of illiteracy I'm thinking of updating my psuedonym.

I mean literally not a fucking thing.

Guess you are too stupid to see it.

Same-sex marriage has changed nothing

No such thing.

and the claim by evangelicals that it was going to ruin society was all a lie in an attempt to force their beliefs on the country and deny true equality for consenting adults.

There is no equality among consenting adults.

Separate but equal isn't equality.... something we learned 50 years ago.

Cliche fallacy. There is no equality among consenting adults. Nothing in 1975 changed that.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm an ordained minister and just married my dog and cat. No worries, one is male and the other is female.

The problem is that the feds don't recognize the marriage so I can't get a tax break for them. Same for gay people if the Feds didn't recognize gay marriage.

The Federal government recognizes the marriage of gay couples, and also recognizes the marriage of those not so happy.

 

[Into the Night]

And gay people aren't straight,

You think being happy is twisted or curvy in some way?

so claiming that they have never been denied marriage is as foolish as saying black slaves were never denied freedom.

Gay people have never been denied marriage. Indeed, I recommended gay couples wed and keep that gaiety throughout their marriage. A happy couple means happy kids.

What has this got to do with slavery, Void?

 

[Into the Night]

With the northern and western Democrats.

Democrats didn't free the slaves,Void.
Indeed, Democrats today still enslave.

 

[Into the Night]

gfm7175 singled out blacks by skin color and slavery.

Why?

Where? gfm7175 is not ZenMode or you.

 

[Into the Night]

Great, so then you'd be ok with changing all laws to allow same-sex marriage under the term "marriage",

Not possible.

so that all legally recognized couples are recognized equally, right?

No such thing.

For you, this is ONLY a question of legality?

Whatever gave you THAT idea??

 

[Into the Night]

Look, I don't give one shit, much less two shits what you think because your argument is by far the dumbest of them all.

"Well, garsh....marriage meant a man and woman thousands of years ago, so me guesses we just have to stick with it!"

I already know you don't understand English. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Whatever you say, you little Americini!

Illiteracy: Misspelled word.

 

[Into the Night]

I have to assume you're playing dumb... as usual.

YAIF. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

Telling a gay person they have equality because they "can" marry someone of the opposite sex is as dumb as telling a black slave they have equality because freedom and equality exist in the US.

Non-sequitur fallacy.
Slaves don't have freedom, Void.

 

[Into the Night]

No it's not the same at all. First there is the painful reality for you that no gay person was ever prevented from marrying someone of opposite sex because they were gay. Second blacks were prevented from enjoying freedom and equality because of their skin color. Not the same in the least.

I think gay people SHOULD marry. A happy couple means happy children. Keep the gaiety going, I say!

ZenMode somehow thinks homosexuals are happy. They're not. They are miserable...alone...and damaging themselves. The behavior produces no children.

 

[Into the Night]

Gays don't pick their sexual preference

Sure they do, but I've never seen anyone practicing homosexual behavior happy.

any more than blacks pick their skin color

You think black people can pick their skin color? Well...Michael Jackson tried it...

and it's idiotic to claim a gay person has equality because they can marry someone they don't want to marry and aren't attracted to.

Why would anyone marry someone they don't want? Are you referring to 'shotgun' weddings?

It's amazing that this has to be explained.

You aren't explaining anything. You are just showing your own illiteracy.

 

[Into the Night]

^And edging into first place for Stupidest Motherfucker on the Forum.

Coming into the home stretch!

See the Monthly Contest. You can find it in the War Zone.

 

[Into the Night]

Are you playing dumb? Of course they werent prevented. In fact its what they wanted.
See conversion therapy.

Gay people were prevented from marrying each other.

Gay people were never prevented from getting married (in the United States, there are age requirements and you can't marry a sister, brother, or parent).

 

[Into the Night]

Religion is not a valid argument.

He's not talking about religion.

 

[Into the Night]

They can marry.

So?