Segregation now, segregation forever!

Using the Conservative argument we should make divorce illegal, it is a mockery to the sanctity of marriage.
 
Jarod said:
Clearly there were not plenty enough to change the law. I was using Plenty in response to your statement that there were none! There were plenty to disprove your claim that there were none... I can see that I have to use more precise words when speaking with the likes of you.

There have always been people, going back past 1864, who belived that Black people and whilte people should be afforded equal protection under the law. There have always been people who spoke up against treating back people differently than white people, and there have always been people who did not condone treating black people differently than white people. There were always people who spoke up against the laws of segeration, even in 1864.
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With regard to political leaders, congressmen who could effectively change laws, presidents, judges, etc.... there were essentially NONE! From 1864 to 1964, the number of such leaders can be counted on less than one hand! For you to keep insisting this was not the case, is laughable and foolish.
 
Dixie said:
With regard to political leaders, congressmen who could effectively change laws, presidents, judges, etc.... there were essentially NONE! From 1864 to 1964, the number of such leaders can be counted on less than one hand! For you to keep insisting this was not the case, is laughable and foolish.
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I never said that was not the case, you know that!
 
Jarod said:
I never said that was not the case, you know that!
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Well then why are you disagreeing with what I said? The point of this thread, the point I articulated, is that for 100 years following the Civil War, we lived in a segregate society, it was accepted and condoned by our government and lawmakers, including the courts, which were all controlled totally by white people. No politician was out there "pushing for" desegregation and racial equality! It just wasn't happening in the real world! To a fault, every damn one of them were either promoting segregation, or tacitly accepting of it...a 'necessary evil', or whatever. None of them stood up to challenge it or speak against it... for 100 years! Well, almost 100, anyway....

It was shortly after WWII, when veteran black men returned home to be treated like retarded children and told where to sit, where to eat, etc. That was when American social awareness began to change, but it took another 20 years to effect political change, because black people were essentially shut out of the political process in America. When I hear pinheads yammering about someone who "supported segregation" it infuriates me, because they ALL supported it!
 
In 1948, President Harry S Truman's Executive Order 9981 ordered the integration of the armed forces shortly after World War II, a major advance in civil rights.
 
Jarod said:
In 1948, President Harry S Truman's Executive Order 9981 ordered the integration of the armed forces shortly after World War II, a major advance in civil rights.
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Right., did you read in my previous post, where I stated: It was shortly after WWII, when veteran black men returned home to be treated like retarded children and told where to sit, where to eat, etc. That was when American social awareness began to change...?

If Harry believed society should be integrated, why didn't he do that as well? Could it be, that Truman viewed segregation as an inconvenience in the fighting of wars and such, having to have two mess halls, etc... and maybe soldiers could put up with bunking together in the military, under military (rougher than normal) conditions? Could it be that Truman didn't really have this Grand Social Enlightenment of racial equality, as much as he was just pragmatic about things, and wasn''t particularly racist in his views?

Certainly, the record shows, Truman never advocated or campaigned for Civil Rights. But you can excuse him for that, because he saw pragmatism in integrating the army! This is precisely the kind of mentality that prevailed in America for 100 years! ...Look at us white people doing good... letting blacks be equal in the military... aren't we wonderful?

Jarod said:
What was the intent behind the 14th and 15th Amendments?
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It certainly wasn't racial equality!
 
Dixie said:
Right., did you read in my previous post, where I stated: It was shortly after WWII, when veteran black men returned home to be treated like retarded children and told where to sit, where to eat, etc. That was when American social awareness began to change...?

If Harry believed society should be integrated, why didn't he do that as well? Could it be, that Truman viewed segregation as an inconvenience in the fighting of wars and such, having to have two mess halls, etc... and maybe soldiers could put up with bunking together in the military, under military (rougher than normal) conditions? Could it be that Truman didn't really have this Grand Social Enlightenment of racial equality, as much as he was just pragmatic about things, and wasn''t particularly racist in his views?

Certainly, the record shows, Truman never advocated or campaigned for Civil Rights. But you can excuse him for that, because he saw pragmatism in integrating the army! This is precisely the kind of mentality that prevailed in America for 100 years! ...Look at us white people doing good... letting blacks be equal in the military... aren't we wonderful?



It certainly wasn't racial equality!
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In a good bit of the south there was also a fear factor in why people didn't stand up and argue with segregation. Prior to the 60s, those in law enforcement and some private groups would make people pay dearly if they spoke out in favor of equality for blacks.
 
WinterBorn said:
In a good bit of the south there was also a fear factor in why people didn't stand up and argue with segregation. Prior to the 60s, those in law enforcement and some private groups would make people pay dearly if they spoke out in favor of equality for blacks.
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IT was in the South, the North, the East, and the West! It was across the entire USA! Don't pretend this was some isolated condition in the South alone, and if not for them, the rest of the country would have never even been aware there was an issue! That black people were treated as complete equals in Ohio and New York, and it was only in the backwoods of the South that racial discrimination happened! This WAS the society we ALL lived in for nearly 100 years in America!
 
Dixie said:
IT was in the South, the North, the East, and the West! It was across the entire USA! Don't pretend this was some isolated condition in the South alone, and if not for them, the rest of the country would have never even been aware there was an issue! That black people were treated as complete equals in Ohio and New York, and it was only in the backwoods of the South that racial discrimination happened! This WAS the society we ALL lived in for nearly 100 years in America!
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Show us the segregation laws. You know, like Grandfather Clauses, and so forth.
 
Threedee said:
You did.
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Where did you read such a thing into what I said? Is there some particular part of what I said you wish to contest? America was a segregated society until 1964. Our Supreme Court upheld segregationist practices and racial discrimination for decades, through numerous landmark cases... shall we list them one by one?

I really don't understand what you are talking about "grandfather clauses" and demanding I show them to you.... are you drinking or something? You're just not making any sense.
 
Dixie said:
IT was in the South, the North, the East, and the West! It was across the entire USA! Don't pretend this was some isolated condition in the South alone, and if not for them, the rest of the country would have never even been aware there was an issue! That black people were treated as complete equals in Ohio and New York, and it was only in the backwoods of the South that racial discrimination happened! This WAS the society we ALL lived in for nearly 100 years in America!
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Stop being obtuse. The South was the last bastion of out and out lynching, discrimination and segregation. Emmet Till didn't get murdered in Chicago. His killers weren't acquitted in Chicago. If you're trying to make the point that the south was and is the same as the west, northeast and midwest in terms of race relations, and there's never been a dimes worth of difference between the regions, then once again, you're just throwing bombs and being a gas bag. Nothing unusual there.
 
Dixie, the South sucks. Get used to it.

I asked for you to cite the segregationist laws that were enacted in the other regions of the US. We all know they existed down in dumps, but up here, what segregationist laws existed?
 
Beefy said:
Stop being obtuse. The South was the last bastion of out and out lynching, discrimination and segregation. Emmet Till didn't get murdered in Chicago. His killers weren't acquitted in Chicago. If you're trying to make the point that the south was and is the same as the west, northeast and midwest in terms of race relations, and there's never been a dimes worth of difference between the regions, then once again, you're just throwing bombs and being a gas bag. Nothing unusual there.
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For some odd reason, you are reading my post as if I am making an excuse for the South. I admit, when segregation fell, the South put up a fight and wanted to keep it until the bitter end. But because of that very detail, the people who were born post-MTV, have been taught to believe segregation was only ever present in the South, it was only an issue in the South, and none of the rest of the nation was practicing segregation! That is a lie!
 
Threedee said:
Dixie, the South sucks. Get used to it.

I asked for you to cite the segregationist laws that were enacted in the other regions of the US. We all know they existed down in dumps, but up here, what segregationist laws existed?
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You didn't ask me to cite any goddamn thing! You made a couple of vague, empty-headed posts that made no sense! IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED TO KNOW?

So you are telling me, a black man in say, 1954, could have waltzed into the finest restaurant in Chicago or New York, and been seated with no problems? You're saying that a black man could have gone to Ohio or Wisconsin and been given equal consideration for a job? And most importantly, there were no blacks from the North being elected to national public office because they were just so happy to be living in a desegregated society they didn't even bother to run?
 
cite the segregationist laws that were enacted in the other regions of the US
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The very nature of your question reveals a total lack of comprehending what segregation was in America. Specific laws regarding segregation were not needed or required in ANY state! The United States Supreme Court upheld segregation in Plessy v. Ferguson in the 1890s, so it was constitutional to segregate in all of America.
 
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