Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

The last time there was major millitary cuts the Republicans made major political capital from them. After the cold war ended it was decided that military spending far exceeded our needs. The cold war was over so it was decided that a large number of bases and weapons programs were no longer needed. The decisions as to which programs and bases to get the axe was decided during Bush I's administration. The actual closing though did not occur until after Clinton was elected. The cuts were so unpopular with those who were employed by or were vendors for the military that Republicans were able to direct their anger towards Democrats who were in office even though the actuall decisions were made under a Republican.
 
The last time there was major millitary cuts the Republicans made major political capital from them. After the cold war ended it was decided that military spending far exceeded our needs. The cold war was over so it was decided that a large number of bases and weapons programs were no longer needed. The decisions as to which programs and bases to get the axe was decided during Bush I's administration. The actual closing though did not occur until after Clinton was elected. The cuts were so unpopular with those who were employed by or were vendors for the military that Republicans were able to direct their anger towards Democrats who were in office even though the actuall decisions were made under a Republican.

Did Bush I or his administration make the decision to cut the military and close the bases? If so, I think it sets a major precedent in American government. The first time ever, an administration usurped the Constitutional powers of Congress to do such a thing. Seems like that would have made news. I don't recall hearing anything about that, so I assume it didn't go down that way, and Congress actually made this decision. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but under Bush I, wasn't the Congress controlled by Democrats?
 
Did Bush I or his administration make the decision to cut the military and close the bases? If so, I think it sets a major precedent in American government. The first time ever, an administration usurped the Constitutional powers of Congress to do such a thing. Seems like that would have made news. I don't recall hearing anything about that, so I assume it didn't go down that way, and Congress actually made this decision. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but under Bush I, wasn't the Congress controlled by Democrats?
Nice try with your pinhead dancing. It was a bipartisan agreement. Both parties actively agreed that military reductions were in order. Oh....and if President Bush didn't like the cuts that were agreed to, he could have used his veto authority. He didn't. Nice spin Dixie.
 
Nice try with your pinhead dancing. It was a bipartisan agreement. Both parties actively agreed that military reductions were in order. Oh....and if President Bush didn't like the cuts that were agreed to, he could have used his veto authority. He didn't. Nice spin Dixie.

Okay... First, you said this...

The last time there was major millitary cuts the Republicans made major political capital from them. After the cold war ended it was decided that military spending far exceeded our needs. The cold war was over so it was decided that a large number of bases and weapons programs were no longer needed. The decisions as to which programs and bases to get the axe was decided during Bush I's administration. The actual closing though did not occur until after Clinton was elected. The cuts were so unpopular with those who were employed by or were vendors for the military that Republicans were able to direct their anger towards Democrats who were in office even though the actuall decisions were made under a Republican.


So in your world, ex-presidents have veto pens and can stop military cuts? That is what you are basically saying, isn't it? That former president Bush could have come to the oval office and pushed Bill Clinton out of the way, and vetoed the military cuts, if he didn't want them? And for that reason, we should all hold the ex-president responsible?

It is nice to know you now admit it was a bipartisan Congressional action, and it was done by a majority Democrat congress, and not the administration. It's important to note, most everything Congress has ever done, was a bipartisan action, except for Obamacare. It's kind of how it's supposed to work. How many Democrats opposed the cuts? Why didn't Clinton veto them? ....I think the public outrage was properly placed.
 
The United States has experienced difficulty in closing military bases to match
the requirements of downsized forces with changed composition. During the decade
of the 1980s, major military base closures were seriously hampered by procedural
requirements established by Congress, to the point that none occurred. The mismatch
between real estate assets and defense requirements grew with the military
downsizing that began late in the Reagan Administration and continued under
Presidents George H. W. Bush and Clinton.
After several legislative efforts to break the deadlock had failed, Congress
established a new base closure procedure in P.L. 100-526, enacted October 24, 1988.
The statute provided for a bipartisan commission, appointed by the Secretary of
Defense, to make recommendations to Congress on closures and realignments to be
voted down or accepted as a whole. The process was successfully implemented, but
produced complaints of partisanship in selecting bases for closure. P.L. 101-510,
enacted November 5, 1990, provided new authority for additional base closure
recommendations by a series of presidentially appointed commissions (with the
advice and consent of the Senate), commonly called Base Realignment and Closure
(BRAC) commissions. These commissions were to operate in 1991, 1993, and 1995,
after which the authority of the final base closure commission would end.
The four commissions recommended closure of 98 major bases and hundreds
of smaller installations, and the realignment of many other bases and facilities. These
recommendations were estimated to be implemented and completed by the year 2001.
The Department of Defense at one time estimated savings of about $57 billion over
20 years.
At the community level, in turn, implementation of the base closure process
commenced. Congress has amended the base closure legislation several times to
protect and assist communities as they adjust to the social and economic stress
caused by the loss of military installations. Many, but by no means all, communities
appeared to be succeeding in local efforts to replace defense jobs and find new uses
for former military lands and buildings.
After expiration of the authorizing legislation, a number of influential leaders
recommended establishment of a new commission and the closure of additional bases
and facilities. These advocates included the chairman of the 1995 commission, Alan
Dixon, former Defense Secretary William Perry, and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman
John Shalikashvili. In Congress, many felt that infrastructure costs diverted money
from modernization and sapped the readiness of America’s armed forces. Against
these pressures to cut military real estate further was caution concerning further
military cuts, as well as the traditional reluctance of Senators and Representatives to
lose federal jobs and disrupt communities in their state or district.
Subsequently, new authorizing legislation by the Congress was required to
reconstitute base closure and realignment through the commission approach.

[SOURCE]
 
Okay... First, you said this...

The last time there was major millitary cuts the Republicans made major political capital from them. After the cold war ended it was decided that military spending far exceeded our needs. The cold war was over so it was decided that a large number of bases and weapons programs were no longer needed. The decisions as to which programs and bases to get the axe was decided during Bush I's administration. The actual closing though did not occur until after Clinton was elected. The cuts were so unpopular with those who were employed by or were vendors for the military that Republicans were able to direct their anger towards Democrats who were in office even though the actuall decisions were made under a Republican.


So in your world, ex-presidents have veto pens and can stop military cuts? That is what you are basically saying, isn't it? That former president Bush could have come to the oval office and pushed Bill Clinton out of the way, and vetoed the military cuts, if he didn't want them? And for that reason, we should all hold the ex-president responsible?

It is nice to know you now admit it was a bipartisan Congressional action, and it was done by a majority Democrat congress, and not the administration. It's important to note, most everything Congress has ever done, was a bipartisan action, except for Obamacare. It's kind of how it's supposed to work. How many Democrats opposed the cuts? Why didn't Clinton veto them? ....I think the public outrage was properly placed.


These are all excellent points sir!
 
The last time there was major millitary cuts the Republicans made major political capital from them. After the cold war ended it was decided that military spending far exceeded our needs. The cold war was over so it was decided that a large number of bases and weapons programs were no longer needed. The decisions as to which programs and bases to get the axe was decided during Bush I's administration. The actual closing though did not occur until after Clinton was elected. The cuts were so unpopular with those who were employed by or were vendors for the military that Republicans were able to direct their anger towards Democrats who were in office even though the actuall decisions were made under a Republican.
As a counter point, Clinton didn't help matters by refusing to surplus off our older military items, which could have been a nice source of revenue and something I highly encourage for current military cuts.
 
Remember rummy's leaner, lighter military, did that ever happen?

"...across the Pentagon, officials acknowledge that the twin tasks of building Iraqi security forces and defeating the insurgency stand in the way of Mr. Rumsfeld's longstanding ambitions to fundamentally transform the nation's military into something leaner, more agile and thoroughly modern. Success in Iraq would allow troop withdrawals to begin, relieving strains on budgets and personnel.

Opening up a new front of controversy, Mr. Rumsfeld is to unveil his list of recommended domestic base closings on Friday. It is sure to provoke opposition from communities that stand to lose the economic benefits of being host to the military...

...In an interview, Mr. Rumsfeld compared the Pentagon he inherited to a factory where there were "conveyor belts going by and they were loaded four, five, six years ago, and they were not connected with each other." He said budgets did not fit weapons, which did not fit strategy.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/11/politics/11rumsfeld.html
 
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