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What I'd like to have, is the study that says that it's impossible to treat.

Even Damo acknowledged that my proposed methods would work to some degree. He disagreed that it worked as dramatically as the scientific studies say (again, he didn't provide any evidence for this), saying that once sex offenders are let free they just learn to hide better (apparently castrated sex offenders are about 100% better at hiding from the cops than non-castrated sex offenders). But he did say they worked to some degree.

If all you're asking for is a single report of a sex offender who was released from prison and died without commiting a sex crime again, then that would be easy. Damo wants 100%, though. An eye for an eye, after all, makes the whole world able to see clearly.
 
And I really fucking hate you for bringing this thread up again.

Listen, I don't believe in these punishments as a matter of principle. It's as simple as that. If I don't believe a murderer who beat a lady to death with a crowbar should get life in prison with no chance of parole, then how can I justify it for anything else?
 
Here, let me just drop a whole big bucket o unbiased straight facts on you, although none of these prisoners were "treated":

http://www.adcprisoninfo.az.gov/Recidivism.htm

A total of 3,205 sex offenders were released from the Arizona prison system over the 15-year period FY 1984-FY 1998, for an average of 214 per year. Average yearly sex offender releases increased from 152 over the period FY 1984-FY 1988, to 217 over the period FY 1989-FY 1993, to 272 over the period FY 1994-FY 1998.

The 3,205 sex offenders released over the period FY 1984-FY 1998 included 818 committed for sexual assault/rape, 800 committed for child molestation, 634 committed for sexual conduct with a minor, 577 committed for sexual abuse, 279 committed for sexual indecency/exposure, and 97 committed for miscellaneous sex offenses.

Among the 3,205 released sex offenders, the average (mean) time served prior to release was 4.9 years, and varied as 3.7 years for FY 1984-FY 1988 releases, 4.8 years for FY 1989-FY 1993 releases, and 5.6 years for FY 1994-FY 1998 releases. Average time served varied as 7.0 years for sexual assault/rape, 5.9 years for child molestation, 4.4 years for sexual conduct with a minor, 2.4 years for sexual abuse, 1.7 years for sexual indecency/exposure, and 5.2 years for miscellaneous sex offenses.

Most released sex offenders (78.5%) were not granted an early release from prison. Most were released at expiration of sentence (29.5%), by mandatory release six months prior to expiration (25.6%), or by the accumulation of earned release credits (19.7%). More than half of released sex offenders (51.4%) were released to the supervision of state parole officers, while 36.4% were otherwise released in Arizona, and 12.2% were released to out-of-state authorities (detainers or out-of-state supervision or custody).

Among the 3,205 released sex offenders, 25.2% returned to prison in Arizona at least once within an average follow-up period of 6.85 years. Among the 3,205, 18.9% returned with a new felony conviction, 10.0% with a new felony conviction for a crime against persons (violent or sex crime), and 5.5% with a new felony conviction for a sex crime.

Rates of return with a new felony conviction varied by original committing offense as 27.5% for sexual assault/rape, 22.7% for miscellaneous sex offenses, 22.2% for sexual abuse, 21.9% for sexual indecency/exposure, 15. 1 % for sexual conduct with a minor, and 9.4% for child molestation. Rates of return with a new felony conviction for a sex crime varied as 11.3% for miscellaneous sex offenses, 9.3% for sex" indecency/exposure, 5.9% for sexual assault/rape, 5.0% for child molestation, 5.0% for sexual abuse, and 3.5% for sexual conduct with a minor.

Among the 1,649 sex offenders released from the Arizona prison system to the supervision of state parole officers, 70% eventually returned to prison with a new felony conviction for a sex crime, including 1.5% who committed a new sex crime while under state supervision.

For released sex offenders who could be followed for the following lengths of time, 2.5% returned to prison with a new felony conviction within one year of release, 8.2% within two years, 12.6% within three years, 15.7% within four years, 18.3% within five years, 20.7% within six years, 22.4% within seven years, 24.0% within eight years, 24.8% within nine years, 26.2% within ten years, 26.8% within eleven years, and 28.3% within twelve years. Furthermore, 0.5% returned with a new felony conviction for a sex crime within one year of release, 2.0% within two years, 3.4% within three years, 4.6% within four years, 5. 1 % within five years, 6. 0% within six years, 6.7% within seven years, 7. 1 % within eight years, 7.2% within nine years, 7.8% within ten years, 7.9% within eleven years, and 8.7% within twelve years.

Rates of return to prison within three years of release dropped from 18.9% for FY 1984-FY 1989 releases to 18.0% for FY 1990-FY 1995 releases. Rates of return with a new felony conviction dropped from 14.2% for 11.9%, rates of return with a new felony conviction for a crime against persons (violent or sex crime) dropped from 7.0% to 5.8%, and rates of return with a new felony conviction for a sex crime dropped from 4.6% to 3.3%.
 
So, about 5% of sex offender return with a new sexual crime, and 3% return with a serious one, and about 1% return with a child molestations charge. This is compared to about 1%-2% with just normal felons.

Without an attempt at treatment.
 
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So, about 5% of sex offender return with a new sexual crime, and 3% return with a serious one, and about 1% return with a child molestations charge. This is compared to about 1%-2% with just normal felons.

Without an attempt at treatment.
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Listen up, I'm not going to say it again. Rape, sexual assault, and molestation are all extremely underreported crimes.

And I've personally seen studies showing that 42% reoffended, and that might be low.
 
Reliance on measures of recidivism as reflected through official criminal justice system data obviously omit offenses that are not cleared through an arrest or those that are never reported to the police. This distinction is critical in the measurement of recidivism of sex offenders. For a variety of reasons, sexual assault is a vastly underreported crime. The National Crime Victimization Surveys (Bureau of Justice Statistics) conducted in 1994, 1995, and 1998 indicate that only 32 percent (one out of three) of sexual assaults against persons 12 or older are reported to law enforcement. A three-year longitudinal study (Kilpatrick, Edmunds, and Seymour, 1992) of 4,008 adult women found that 84 percent of respondents who identified themselves as rape victims did not report the crime to authorities. (No current studies indicate the rate of reporting for child sexual assault, although it is generally assumed that these assaults are equally underreported.) Many victims are afraid to report sexual assault to the police. They may fear that reporting will lead to the following:

further victimization by the offender;
other forms of retribution by the offender or by the offender's friends or family;
arrest, prosecution, and incarceration of an offender who may be a family member or friend and on whom the victim or others may depend;
others finding out about the sexual assault (including friends, family members, media, and the public);
not being believed; and
being traumatized by the criminal justice system response.
These factors are compounded by the shame and guilt experienced by sexual assault victims, and, for many, a desire to put a tragic experience behind them. Incest victims who have experienced criminal justice involvement are particularly reluctant to report new incest crimes because of the disruption caused to their family. This complex of reasons makes it unlikely that reporting figures will change dramatically in the near future and bring recidivism rates closer to actual reoffense rates.
Several studies support the hypothesis that sexual offense recidivism rates are underreported. Marshall and Barbaree (1990) compared official records of a sample of sex offenders with "unofficial" sources of data. They found that the number of subsequent sex offenses revealed through unofficial sources was 2.4 times higher than the number that was recorded in official reports. In addition, research using information generated through polygraph examinations on a sample of imprisoned sex offenders with fewer than two known victims (on average), found that these offenders actually had an average of 110 victims and 318 offenses (Ahlmeyer, Heil, McKee, and English, 2000). Another polygraph study found a sample of imprisoned sex offenders to have extensive criminal histories, committing sex crimes for an average of 16 years before being caught (Ahlmeyer, English, and Simons, 1999).

http://www.csom.org/pubs/recidsexof.html
 
I don't know why you're so invested in protecting these scum Water, but if you're going to make a career out of it, you better really study the issue. You might want to find out how many children these guys fuck up on average before they are even caught for the first time. Then move onto what I posted above.

Just so you don't look stupid as well as...well, whatever one looks like whose major concern is defending child molesters rather than the children they hurt.
 
Being that only 0.5% of child molesters are female, I really think that testosterone has something to do with it. Which is why I proposed castration. But I've been looking on google for a case of someone who has been castrated and been re-arrested later on for child molestation.

I think that your 33% figure if probably even underestimated. 1 in 5 children in the US are molested at some period in time, and even if the people in prison molested thousands of children it wouldn't make up for that - there are a lot of people far too "good" at getting away with this. I read that 57% of child molesters were molested themselves, which isn't a sympathy figure, but shows how contagious it is. Most of them start very young.
 
Actually WM according to a study I read about nearly 20 years ago. Among violent criminals in prison. There was a direct correlation between higher estrogen levels in male criminals and the higher levels of violence.
Yes testosterone does play a part, but just a part.

there is nothing more dangerous on the face of the earth than a pissed off PMS'ing woman with a gun.
 
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Actually WM according to a study I read about nearly 20 years ago. Among violent criminals in prison. There was a direct correlation between higher estrogen levels in male criminals and the higher levels of violence.
Yes testosterone does play a part, but just a part.

there is nothing more dangerous on the face of the earth than a pissed off PMS'ing woman with a gun.
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Well testosterone and estrogen have all kinds of effects. We know that child molesters aren't born that way but we also know that there's something unnatural about their chemistry. It could be that just a right amount is required - I don't know - and testosterone isn't the ONLY thing in the equation.

If you think about how many child molesters have to be in the country, it's really staggering. There's probably more child molesters than all the people we have in prison. And, really, it apparently has something to do with men, or else just no one ever reports a very large amount of women.

Then again, thinking about that, it would be difficult for me to say that we should castrate them instead of putting them in prison for life without knowing full well what was happening.
 
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I'm glad you looked more closely at this. And I would say it is often that women are simply not reported. It is like the myth that there are no women serial killers. It doesn't make it better what they do, just because there are less. And if they are not committing the actual crime women are very often the enablers, I have seen people "stand by their man" in the most ridiculous of circumstances, as their family, friends, and anybody with a brain deserts them because their husband rapes children...

In order to stop such a thing we must make it a priority to protect the kids, to do what it takes to ensure there is no "repeat offender", at all. The nature of the victim and the immensity of the effect on the lives of those offended upon makes this one of the most heinous, least reported, often undiscussed because of the discomfort people feel about it, and least effective areas of law enforcement.
 
The reason most treatment programs have little effect is because it's become a part of their psyche. They'll leave the treatment program, say they never want to commit another crime with complete truthfullness, and then go out and do it again.

It's imagine it would be like having an unbearable urge to do something completely innapropriate - like waving a gun at random passerbys or smashing their head into a door. A person may ignore it for a while but it's certainly going to bear down mon them in the end.
 
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The reason most treatment programs have little effect is because it's become a part of their psyche. They'll leave the treatment program, say they never want to commit another crime with complete truthfullness, and then go out and do it again.

It's probably somewhat like having an unbearable urge to do something completely innapropriate - like waving a gun at random passerby's or smashing your head into a door. A person may ignore it for a while but it's certainly going to bear down on them.
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Ohh those 2 week cure therapy sessions work, just ask Ted and Brittany.
 
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